Re: [DNG] f2fs and beowulf: installation

2020-05-20 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Anno domini 2020 Thu, 21 May 05:00:03 +0100 tux...@sapo.pt scripsit: > Citando Dr. Nikolaus Klepp : > > > Anno domini 2020 Tue, 19 May 21:56:16 +0100 > > ael scripsit: > >> On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 10:35:22PM +0200, Antony Stone wrote: > >> On Tuesday 19 May 2020 at 22:30:50, ael wrote: > >> > >>>

Re: [DNG] Felker Init: was without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-20 Thread tuxd3v
Citando Steve Litt : This whole discussion balances on the definition of "shell aware". What is "shell aware?" SteveT   Have you tried to write shell script code into the execution command of a systemd unit file? it doesn't work right?! Why do you think it doesn't work? For it to work yo

Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-20 Thread Rick Moen via Dng
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > > Steve's is a classic non-testable paranoid > > It would be testable if we could put on the witness stand under oath > somebody who attended the meetings that decided to push systemd. I mean, of course, testable in the real world. Meanwhile, a

Re: [DNG] f2fs and beowulf: installation

2020-05-20 Thread tuxd3v
I forgot.. The bootloader needs support for f2fs, but since you are able to launch the kernel, it should be supported by definition( it loads the kernel into memory...so it access the block device.. )..   Citando tux...@sapo.pt: Citando Dr. Nikolaus Klepp : Anno domini 2020 Tue, 19 May 2

Re: [DNG] f2fs and beowulf: installation

2020-05-20 Thread tuxd3v
Citando Dr. Nikolaus Klepp : Anno domini 2020 Tue, 19 May 21:56:16 +0100 ael scripsit: On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 10:35:22PM +0200, Antony Stone wrote: On Tuesday 19 May 2020 at 22:30:50, ael wrote: I am hoping to install beowulf onto a new laptop in a week or two. I use f2fs on several drives w

Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 19 May 2020 12:03:20 -0700 Rick Moen via Dng wrote: > > Presumably Steve Litt's point is that Red Hat has to make the > > internals complex so that there's complexity to shield the costomer > > from. > > Steve's is a classic non-testable paranoid It would be testable if we could put

Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 19 May 2020 07:32:24 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > Presumably Steve Litt's point is that Red Hat has to make the > internals complex so that there's complexity to shield the costomer > from. That's one of my two points. The other point is a complexified Linux makes their education and cer

Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 19 May 2020 10:29:02 +0100 Peter Duffy wrote: > Apologies for following up on my own post - just an afterthought. > > When I originally encountered systemd, the word was that it was so > pervasive that it couldn't be removed (obviously, now we know > different ;) ) > > Given the allege

Re: [DNG] Device naming: was Felker Init: was without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 19 May 2020 00:01:35 -0700 Rick Moen via Dng wrote: > Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > > > Substitute the word "needlessly complex" for "overengineered" and I > > don't like it either. But 1), I don't think you'd get anywhere near > > universal agreement that by_path, by

Re: [DNG] Felker Init: was without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 19 May 2020 04:14:05 +0100 tux...@sapo.pt wrote: > The problem is that this init systems are not shell aware. I don't know what "shell aware" means. The minute a file begins with: #!/bin/sh the rest of the text executes according to the grammar/syntax/capabilities of /bin/sh. > yes th

Re: [DNG] f2fs and beowulf: installation

2020-05-20 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Anno domini 2020 Tue, 19 May 21:56:16 +0100 ael scripsit: > On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 10:35:22PM +0200, Antony Stone wrote: > > On Tuesday 19 May 2020 at 22:30:50, ael wrote: > > > > > I am hoping to install beowulf onto a new laptop in a week or two. > > > I use f2fs on several drives with good re

Re: [DNG] Device naming: was Felker Init: was without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-20 Thread Jim Jackson
[gets reply recipient right this time, sorry for the personal email last time Rick] On Tue, 19 May 2020, Rick Moen via Dng wrote: > You did, of course, say _unique_ partition labels, which avoids that > gentleman's quite perplexing problem. The uniqueness problem is easier to manage when it's

Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-20 Thread spiralofhope
On Mon, 18 May 2020 21:39:11 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > I eschew Occam's Razor in favor of Litt's Razor, which can be > paraphrased "Follow the money." See also the maxim of Cassius: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cui_bono "to whom is it a benefit?" __