Re: [DNG] f2fs and beowulf: installation

2020-05-22 Thread tuxd3v
hello, Citando ael : On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 05:04:57AM +0100, tux...@sapo.pt wrote: I forgot.. The bootloader needs support for f2fs, but since you are able to launch the kernel, it should be supported by definition( it loads the kernel into memory...so it access the block device.. ).. But

Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-22 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 22 May 2020 01:42:46 -0700 Rick Moen via Dng wrote: > C'mon, Didier. Explain please how adoption of systemd in RHEL and > CentOS either gave RHAT a superior competitive market position > relative to other market-relevant Linux distro companies It didn't have to. Redhat didn't give a

Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-22 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 22/05/2020 à 10:42, Rick Moen via Dng a écrit : C'mon, Didier. Explain please how adoption of systemd in RHEL and CentOS either gave RHAT a superior competitive market position relative     This is a domain in which I haven't any expertise, by chance it was not my point. First, let's not

Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-22 Thread Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng
Hi, Rick Moen via Dng writes: > Quoting Joel Roth via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org): > >> While it may be tiresome to some, I think it can be valuable >> to occasionally revisit the reasons for Devuan's existence. > > Distinguo: > > The reasons for Devuan's existence involve avoiding getting dragged

Re: [DNG] Mixing different init benefits: was: without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-22 Thread Peter Duffy
(Apologies for restating that - I thought that my original mention of it hadn't made the list for some reason. I now see that it did.) On Fri, 2020-05-22 at 10:19 +0100, Peter Duffy wrote: > (There's a brilliant moment in "The Taking of Pelham 123" ...

Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-22 Thread al3xu5 / dotcommon
Fri, 22 May 2020 01:42:46 -0700 - Rick Moen : > C'mon, Didier. Explain please how adoption of systemd in RHEL and > CentOS either gave RHAT a superior competitive market position relative > to other market-relevant Linux distro companies or improved RHAT's > financial strength. Trace out,

Re: [DNG] Mixing different init benefits: was: without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-22 Thread Peter Duffy
I know about uselessd - I suspect that it was reading about it that planted the seed for the "init-wrapper" idea - that of limiting systemd's power without systemd even being aware that it was being limited. I've not got far in thinking this through in terms of details - I assumed that it would

Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-22 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Anno domini 2020 Fri, 22 May 01:42:46 -0700 Rick Moen via Dng scripsit: > Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr): > > >     Well, *they* claimed their model was to make money out of > > complexity, as Steve reported. It's not a suputation, it's an > > official statement. Therefore no idea of a

Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-22 Thread Rick Moen via Dng
Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr): >     Well, *they* claimed their model was to make money out of > complexity, as Steve reported. It's not a suputation, it's an > official statement. Therefore no idea of a conspiracy from Steve. I note without special objection that you aren't addressing

Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-22 Thread Rick Moen via Dng
Quoting Joel Roth via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org): > While it may be tiresome to some, I think it can be valuable > to occasionally revisit the reasons for Devuan's existence. Distinguo: The reasons for Devuan's existence involve avoiding getting dragged along by Debian Project's poor

Re: [DNG] Small issues after upgrading to Beowulf

2020-05-22 Thread Mark Hindley
David, On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 08:06:06AM +0200, David Kuehling via Dng wrote: > Hi, > > in March I upgraded from Devuan Ascii to Beowulf, using the > documentation provided here: > > https://beta.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/upgrade-to-beowulf > > Only three small problems

Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-22 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 22/05/2020 à 10:11, Didier Kryn a écrit :     I assume they do what they claimed, and actually Systemd is well in line with it. Then I try to imagine what can result from that, because the result of human actions is not always what they expected. Already they have been bought by Oracle -

Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-22 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 21/05/2020 à 22:24, Rick Moen via Dng a écrit : Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr): When a company takes action to increase its share of the market and/or its cash flow, we normally do not call that a conspiration. It is legitimate to write about it and discuss the actions it takes. And,

Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-22 Thread Joel Roth via Dng
On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 12:43:06AM +0100, g4sra via Dng wrote: > Why are we (DNG mailing list) going over this same old same old again ? I was probably the firestarter in this case. While it may be tiresome to some, I think it can be valuable to occasionally revisit the reasons for Devuan's

[DNG] Small issues after upgrading to Beowulf

2020-05-22 Thread David Kuehling via Dng
Hi, in March I upgraded from Devuan Ascii to Beowulf, using the documentation provided here: https://beta.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/upgrade-to-beowulf Only three small problems popped up since that time: 1) During upgrade: dpkg: error processing archive