[DNG] archive of this mailing list?

2016-11-06 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi, I've joined this list after learning the devuan-discuss "is not the list" to watch and participate Now, how can I get the full archives of the messages [of this and possibly other dnye.org lists] to populate folders in my maildir storage? Thanks AndrewM signature.asc Description: Open

[DNG] Installation report Intel BOXNUC6I7KYK4 -- Boxed Intel i7-6770HQ NUC Kit, NUC6i7KYK, Single Pack (dual m.2 drive)

2016-11-06 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi All, Equipment Summary: INTEL BOXNUC6I7KYK4 Boxed Intel i7-6770HQ NUC Kit, NUC6i7KYK, Single Pack (dual m.2 drive) KINGS KVR21S15D8/16 KVR21S15D8/16 - KVR 16GB 2133MHz DDR4 Non-ECC SODIMM SAM MZ-N5E250BW 250GB, 3D V-NAND, M.2 (2280), R/W(Max) 540MB/s/5

[DNG] Issues with mariadb-server install, resolved -- dpkg: error processing package mariadb-server (--configure):, dependency problems - leaving unconfigured

2016-11-06 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi All, I had somehow made a mistake with my mariadb-server installation on the KVM guest. Removing it and re-installing it failed to setup correctly. Like many others, I was tearing my hair out and not getting anywhere; removing and purging the packages, and removing any possible file that coul

[DNG] Devuan KVM guest install using ISO, virt-install and text based installation

2016-11-06 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi All, Purpose: Devuan guest install for web server on Devuan KVM Box. Used this ISO: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_amd64_CD.iso Mounted it at /cdrom (just a directory mount, simple enough). Created LV for guest. Adjusting the ISO to allow text insta

[DNG] kvm changes -- vm would not boot, fixed

2016-11-06 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi, I had some issues wit a VM not starting after an apt-get upgrade :( Since creating the VM, it was working fine, until the upgrade. I had even exported a KVM from another machine and imported it via the dumped xml with a bit for bit copy of the LV that was used on the old machine -- no c

Re: [DNG] apt-get update fails

2016-11-06 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 07/11/16 02:10, Daniel Abrecht wrote: > apt-get -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false update Will that be required for every use of apt-get update? Or until it is "fixed"? Is it going to be fixed? Thanks A. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature _

Re: [DNG] archive of this mailing list?

2016-11-06 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 07/11/16 05:28, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > On 2016-11-06 09:04, Andrew McGlashan wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I've joined this list after learning the devuan-discuss "is not the >> list" to watch and participate >> >> Now, how can I get the

Re: [DNG] archive of this mailing list?

2016-11-08 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi Giovanni, On 08/11/16 21:10, Giovanni Rapagnani wrote: > I can provide you with an archive with the emails since 3/dec/2014. The > mailing list started on 7/nov/2014. > > The emails will be in Maildir format. That will be perfect, thank you. > If that suits you, let me know and I'll send you

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

2016-11-08 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 08/11/16 23:05, hellekin wrote: > On 11/06/2016 02:59 PM, Giovanni Rapagnani wrote: > P.S.: in the meantime I edited the web site to remove mention of > devuan-discuss to avoid confusion. But I'd rather do the opposite, and > freeze DNG. I agree with with you. DNG sounded to me like a tempor

Re: [DNG] Devuan KVM guest install using ISO, virt-install and text based installation

2016-11-09 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Okay, doing a reply all to make sure that Miroslav gets this okay On 10/11/16 00:31, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > ... > I said would [be looking into this tutorial, if...]. > If this: >> Once the install was done, I dumped the xml, edited it, undefined the >> guest and then re-created it from the a

Re: [DNG] Devuan KVM guest install using ISO, virt-install and text based installation

2016-11-09 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi, On 10/11/16 01:55, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > On 161109-14:31+0100, Miroslav Rovis wrote: >> Hi! >> >> I'll be looking into this tutorial, if... (see below) : ;-) >> On 161107-02:08+1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > ... >> If this: >>> Once

Re: [DNG] Life After Firefox 56

2017-02-23 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi, Well, yes, I am disappointed that they want to give up on Thunderbird too. More below. On 24/02/17 03:01, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > Lockdown/branding is not just happening to the desktop. We've known for > some time that the Firefox we've loved for over a decade is about to > suffer a simil

Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here

2017-03-11 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi, On 09/03/17 04:33, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > This is a follow up to this old thread: > https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20161002.124357.7c39d049.en.html There are lots of problems with Firefox, it seems that they actually hate their users; but I am still a user today add-ons are bein

Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here

2017-03-11 Thread Andrew McGlashan
btw Palemoon might be the best way to keep add-ons functional that were meant for FF. but the exiting developers aren't mentioning Palemoon as an alternative. :( Oh and Mozilla has been trying to offload Thunderbird too, but TB is my best choice for email. Grrr, Mozilaa is too focused on the

Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here

2017-03-12 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 12/03/17 07:02, Harald Arnesen wrote: > > Andrew McGlashan [03/11/2017 06:15 PM]: > >> Oh and Mozilla has been trying to offload Thunderbird too, but TB is my >> best choice for email. > > Check out FossaMail, by the PaleMoon developers. Yes I've got

Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here

2017-03-12 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 12/03/17 21:49, Alessandro Selli wrote: > Plus, on Ubuntu (I am yet to fully test Midori on the Devuan laptop) I > found out it has many addons I was afraid wouldn't be available: > > Adblock "Block advertisements according to a filter list" The best blocker is "uBlock Origin" both words, no

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

2017-03-15 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 16/03/17 02:55, goli...@dyne.org wrote: >> . . . but remember that the Freedesktop/Redhat/SystemdCabal >> consortium has the goal of eliminating systemd as a choice . . . >> > > Er . . . not quite what you intended to say, I think. Yes, well, I read that as -- you have no choice, the wo

[DNG] Linux 4.9 kernel

2017-05-08 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi, I installed a Devuan server for use with KVM back in October last year. I've set up a new server to replace a different aging xen server (so also a KVM server to be). The new server is almost 100% the same as the older Devuan server, but with nvme m.2 cards instead of the sata type. The old

Re: [DNG] Linux 4.9 kernel

2017-05-08 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi KatolaZ, On 08/05/17 17:25, KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, May 08, 2017 at 05:07:25PM +1000, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > the only way of getting a backports kernel is by enabling > backports. Please notice that backports are disabled by default. I > confirm that both the 4.7 series and th

Re: [DNG] Linux 4.9 kernel

2017-05-08 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi KatolaZ, On 08/05/17 23:10, KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, May 08, 2017 at 10:55:07PM +1000, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > jessie ships with a 3.16 kernel, so the most plausible way you could > have got a 4.9 kernel from backports in the other jessie box (or was > it wheezy?) is by: >

Re: [DNG] Linux 4.9 kernel

2017-05-08 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 08/05/17 23:33, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Mon, May 08, 2017 at 02:10:12PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: >> apt does NOT automatically update your kernel major version, for the >> simple reason that the kernel package contains the version in its >> name, so apt would not have any clue about the fact th

Re: [DNG] Linux 4.9 kernel

2017-05-08 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi, On 08/05/17 23:58, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > I've got good logs, now I'll try to work out exactly when it was > installed (4.9) and if there were any other packages that were done at > that time. The /var/log/apt/history.log.N.gz files have the following: Start-Date: 2

Re: [DNG] Linux 4.9 kernel

2017-05-08 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 09/05/17 01:04, KatolaZ wrote: > On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 12:37:51AM +1000, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > > [cut] > >> >> Start-Date: 2016-10-30 16:05:42 >> Install: linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64:amd64 (4.7.8-1~bpo8+1, >> automatic), firmw

Re: [DNG] Linux 4.9 kernel

2017-05-08 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 09/05/17 00:50, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > There was an issue with backports not being pinned properly in the beta2 > (see: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=32). Or perhaps you have > backports enabled? Yes, that issue seems to hit the nail on the head; I'm sure that is why I actually h

[DNG] dovecot / exim4 / system users -- restriction of emails per user

2017-05-12 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi, I'm sure that this has been solved, but I can't find the answers and I'm having trouble crafting a solution. Running exim4 4.8+ (with split setup) / dovecot 1:2.1+ -- with system user auth and virtual users with exim4. Each system user login can use ANY email address for "sender and/or repl

Re: [DNG] dovecot / exim4 / system users -- restriction of emails per user

2017-05-12 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi, On 12/05/17 21:34, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > IIRC this isn't at all simple with that software. For mostly poor > reasons that may have changed since last time I looked. > > You could approximate it with a bit of hacking, though: Use exim to > force a bcc to something like policyviolation@asdf

Re: [DNG] Latest 64-bit Skype for Linux works with ALSA

2017-05-14 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi, On 14/05/17 23:24, Joel Roth wrote: > I installed the 64-bit .deb, and after some fruitless > struggles with the apulse wrapper (microphone not detected) discovered > that Skype now works just fine with ALSA only. Skype is a pox from M$ why not support alternatives? Other options inclu

Re: [DNG] dovecot / exim4 / system users -- restriction of emails per user

2017-05-15 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi, Okay, this is how I've managed to /mostly/ sort this problem; logging is my friend and I can keep outgoing emails for verification. I've adjusted an acl entry to add a temporary header as follows: /etc/exim4/conf.d/acl/30_exim4-config_check_rcpt accept authenticated = * add_header

Re: [DNG] devuan.org inaccessible two days

2017-05-19 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi, On 20/05/17 01:00, Thaddeus Nielsen wrote: > For the second consecutive day my end of the internet cannot find devuan.org http://isup.me/devuan.org It's fine for me... Cheers A. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org

[DNG] [WARNING] Intel Skylake/Kaby Lake processors: broken hyper-threading

2017-06-25 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Just re-sending this from the Debian User's list FYI - originally from: "Henrique de Moraes Holschuh " - are we all good here? - NB: there is a nice perl script to check vuln too on that list (I'll post that one here too) This warning advisory is relevant for users of systems with th

Re: [DNG] [WARNING] Intel Skylake/Kaby Lake processors: broken hyper-threading

2017-06-25 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Just re-sending this from the Debian User's list FYI - originally from: "Henrique de Moraes Holschuh " - this email with the perl script (I'll post that one here too) On Sun, 25 Jun 2017, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > This warning advisory is relevant for users of systems w

Re: [DNG] [WARNING] Intel Skylake/Kaby Lake processors: broken hyper-threading

2017-06-26 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-- update from original posteer -- Minor update on the issue: The check command provided in the advisory to test for hyper-threading doesn't work: it will always report hyper-theading as enabled. A better command is provided below. Note: this also means the perl script will give some false-po

[DNG] git.devuan.org -- 2FA issues

2017-08-25 Thread Andrew McGlashan
devuan.org 1503649036Fri Aug 25 18:17:16 2017local As it stands now, I cannot re-enable 2FA with the account. My Python code gets the server (https://git.devuan.org) time using curl -Is with the "Date:" header. -- Kind Regards AndrewM Andrew McGlashan signatu

Re: [DNG] git.devuan.org -- 2FA issues

2017-08-25 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi, Okay, my code wasn't actually using the git.devuan.org server time, it just displayed it. 2FA is re-enabled for me, but if you use the Google Authenticator app, it won't work because you cannot change the time sever to use git.devuan.org (which has a different time). Kind Regards AndrewM

Re: [DNG] git.devuan.org -- 2FA issues

2017-08-25 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 25/08/17 20:09, Narcis Garcia wrote: > El 25/08/17 a les 11:00, Andrew McGlashan ha escrit: >> Hi, >> >> Okay, my code wasn't actually using the git.devuan.org server time, it >> just displayed it. >> >> 2FA is re-enabled for me, but if you use th

Re: [DNG] git.devuan.org -- 2FA issues

2017-08-30 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi, On 25/08/17 21:04, Andrew McGlashan wrote: >>> 2FA is re-enabled for me, but if you use the Google Authenticator app, >>> it won't work because you cannot change the time sever to use >>> git.devuan.org (which has a different time). The time is still out by

Re: [DNG] Request file system reviews and recomendations.

2017-12-27 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi, On 27/12/17 16:50, Josef Grosch wrote: > A good place to start is ZFS On Linux (http://zfsonlinux.org/) This project > is being run by the bright boys and girls at Lawrence Livermore National Lab, > our tax dollars at work. Yes, it is covered by a GPLv2-incompatible > licence[1] (CDDL), but

Re: [DNG] Request file system reviews and recomendations.

2017-12-28 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 28/12/17 15:05, Rick Moen wrote: > ECC RAM is not sufficient to catch all bad RAM problems, only some. > Back in 2006, I had an interesting case of this: > http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/conspire/2006-December/002662.html > http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/conspire/2006-December/002668.html >

Re: [DNG] Request file system reviews and recomendations.

2017-12-28 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 28/12/17 11:51, Steve Litt wrote: > Being a fan of simplicity, I use ext4 on all partitions. No LVM: I > don't want the extra layer. With things like bind mount I can > temporarily move parts of one filetree to a different partition, and > the next time I full-install or buy a new computer or

Re: [DNG] Request file system reviews and recomendations.

2017-12-29 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 29/12/17 13:57, Rick Moen wrote: > One can also reasonably say that the ext2/ext3/ext4 codebase has > benefited from more real-world testing than any other *ix fileystem code > in history. (ext4 departs significantly more from ext3 than the latter > did from ext2, as detailed here: > https://

[DNG] Problems with KVM server after updates (possibly linux-image is culprit) -- cannot start any guests.

2018-01-10 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi, I'm getting errors when trying to start guests after a restart with new kernel. qemu-system-x86_64: /build/qemu-CeGdkI/qemu-2.8+dfsg/target-i386/kvm.c:1805: kvm_put_msrs: Assertion `ret == cpu->kvm_msr_buf->nmsrs' failed. 2018-01-10 20:29:51.073+: shutting down < ii  linux-image-3.16.0

Re: [DNG] Problems with KVM server after updates (possibly linux-image is culprit) -- cannot start any guests.

2018-01-10 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi, On 11/01/18 08:10, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > Hi, > > I'm getting errors when trying to start guests after a restart with new > kernel. > > > qemu-system-x86_64: > /build/qemu-CeGdkI/qemu-2.8+dfsg/target-i386/kvm.c:1805: kvm_put_msrs: > Assertion `ret == cpu->

Re: [DNG] Problems with KVM server after updates (possibly linux-image is culprit) -- cannot start any guests.

2018-01-11 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi, On 11/01/18 18:32, Thomas Besser wrote: > Just upgraded one of the KVM server host machines to > linux-image-3.16.0-5-amd643.16.51-3+deb8u1 > > After that starting of virtual machines work like before (qemu-kvm > 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u6). Okay, I think I might be better off doing a clean fr

Re: [DNG] The FSF seems to have finally sold out

2018-03-08 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi, On 08/03/18 10:05, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > In exchange for money they are now advertising and endorsing a maker of > fake libre hardware by letting them have a booth at libreplanet an > endorsing their debian copy "PureOS" > > https://libreplanet.org/2018/sponsors Really? I am pretty positi

Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware

2018-03-12 Thread Andrew McGlashan
One thing about using used [,old] and free hardware is that it has power efficiency problems. Newer hardware tends to be more power efficient (if you choose wisely). This means that newer hardware can "pay" for itself via energy savings alone. Less power consumed, less heat. If you have an abund

Re: [DNG] It's far from being over. Sigh!

2018-05-04 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi, On 05/05/18 04:04, Hendrik Boom wrote: > It may not be an option unless I want to get out of computing > altogether. The problem is that everything has got a computer in it these days and I too fear that the only option to avoid all the bad-ness going on is to opt out of computing as well :(

Re: [DNG] Is Void OK? Was: Keep it alive

2018-05-19 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 20/05/18 00:42, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..you need both, IME. 17 years ago, I was the final lawful webmaster > at fmb.no, our domain docs were stolen by https://www.frp.no/ people. Is there an English translation for that? https://web.archive.org/web/20051119085953/http://www.fmb.no:80/ Che

[DNG] (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub

2018-06-04 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Is this a case of mass US based industrial espionage now? It's been said that Microsoft makes a great deal of monies from Linux with patents in play. I see this as a perfect solution for Microsoft to go after every man and his dog using github to see if there are any patents to win more money ove

Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub

2018-06-04 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 05/06/18 02:46, Mark Rousell wrote:> Anyway, I look forward to Microsoft Enterprise Linux in due course. ;-) NO WAY! It's bad enough with RHEL and it's competitors; if I need that brand of Linux, I would go CentOS... but it will be a very cold day in hell before I opted for a Microsoft versio

Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub

2018-06-04 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 05/06/18 03:06, Mark Rousell wrote: > My statement that MS were the largest single contributor on GitHub comes > from GitHub's own statistics specifically for *open source* > contributions (admittedly dating from 2016). > > Source: http://businessinsider.com/microsoft-github-open-source-2016-

Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub

2018-06-09 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 09/06/18 15:49, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > There's something fishy about this story. >  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-44368813 > It was first published on June 5th and now dated June 6th, I first read > the story on June 5th at the same link.  Not recoverable, not repairable > or so they s

[DNG] X11RDP-o-Matic Information - Scarygliders

2018-06-14 Thread Andrew McGlashan
https://scarygliders.net/x11rdp-o-matic-information/ Interesting quote from the above link: NOTE: I am no longer actively spending days/hours of my time to maintain this script – there are too many different variations of Linux Distributions and they come out so frequently and always include cha

Re: [DNG] what happened to usbmount?

2018-06-19 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 20/06/18 00:05, Erik Christiansen wrote: > Martin, I think I will too. That is one nifty little bit of kit, not > just to be added to my survival notes accumulated over the decades, but > to be pushed into the wetware despite increasing backpressure after 2^6 > trips around our star. Song ...

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 09/07/18 17:51, KatolaZ wrote: > Literally anybody can get the sources of the Linux kernel and read > through it. So I guess your fears are somehow unjustified... There were long standing problems with openssl -- the source code was fully avai

[DNG] Devuan ASCII Live USB security issue

2018-09-26 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, I've been using a live USB of Devuan with XFCE, I boot it to RAM and then setup my temporary environment from a different LUKS encrypted USB. This allows me to keep my data secure and the setup as simple as possible without actually installing

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII Live USB security issue

2018-09-26 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, On 27/09/18 06:01, Jaromil wrote: > On Thu, 27 Sep 2018, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > >> I've been using a live USB of Devuan with XFCE, I boot it to RAM >> and then setup my temporary environment from a different LUKS >

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII Live USB security issue

2018-09-27 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, On 27/09/18 08:28, fsmithred wrote: > On 09/26/2018 01:03 PM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: Add the following > to the boot command: noautologin nocomponents=sudo Perfect, that takes care of my most immediate concerns. > There aren&#x

Re: [DNG] [OT] Restricting user capabilities after ssh login

2018-10-08 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, On 12/08/18 14:55, mett wrote: > I m wondering about the best way to restrict a user after he has > ssh'd into his web folder. I solved this problem a different way. Created a VM just for the required user(s). They needed to provide their sta

Re: [DNG] What's the latest stable version?

2018-10-13 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, On 14/10/18 07:01, Antony Stone wrote: > On Saturday 13 October 2018 at 21:49:30, Steve Litt wrote: >> What's the latest stable version of Devuan? I'm going to set up a >> test VM to test runit on Devuan. > > "Devuan’s stable release is now 2.0

Re: [DNG] Who remembers rootkit..

2018-10-21 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi Rick, On 21/10/18 14:42, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Jimmy Johnson (field.engin...@gmail.com): > >> Who remembers when rootkit hunter started showing problems and >> Debian said they where false positive problems? I think it was >> sometime dur

Re: [DNG] Who remembers rootkit..

2018-10-21 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 21/10/18 21:10, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > I first noticed it while testing Stretch, I run a multimedia setup > no problem with Jessie without systemd or wheezy, I was running a > intel laptop HDMI to a big screen smart tv, the screen would go > bla

Re: [DNG] Well, this is interesting

2018-10-30 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 30/10/18 05:06, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > I wouldn't consider this necessarily doom and gloom Some might say IBM "helped" derail the AU census... and more, but the AU gov't keeps giving them support after multiple alleged botch ups where they can /claim/ it to not be their fault. It may alleg

[DNG] Jessie --> ascii issues

2018-11-17 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi, I've upgraded one of my servers from Devuan Jessie to Devuan ASCII and had some issues. First the initramfs failed to work properly as I have custom scripts for the setup, one of the scripts sets up a bunch of useful tools for the initramfs environment and that part was fine. But a differen

[DNG] KVM guest update to Ascii problem with Jessie KVM host

2019-01-12 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, I upgraded a guest from Devuan Jessie to Devuan Ascii. The guest wouldn't boot the 4.9 kernel, but I could boot it's older 3.16 kernel okay. Then I upgraded the host from Jessie to Ascii as well and all was good. My son believes this is a bug

Re: [DNG] ..alsa+apulse and torbrowser... rpath is /usr/lib/apulse and is too long???

2019-01-18 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi, On 17/1/19 2:51 pm, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..we've heard of firefox dropping alsa etc for pulseaudio on behalf of > the Tor/torbrowser people or the systemd people and since pulseaudio > tried a "government shutdown", on _my_ iron, I did to pulseaudio what > you yanks should try on your own put

[DNG] Ascii Multimedia -- /etc/apt/sources.list

2019-02-09 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi, What /etc/apt/sources.list entries should we now use for Devuan ascii for multimedia. This is what I previously used with Deuan jessie: (and it seemed to be okay) # deb-multimedia deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org jessie main non-free Thanks AndrewM signature.asc Description: OpenPG

Re: [DNG] Update on the Green Hat Hackers attack

2019-04-01 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, On 2/4/19 4:13 am, Dimitris via Dng wrote: > On 4/1/19 7:49 PM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: >> ..this cartoon is used in production how? ;o) > > snowden told us how. > > dev1 joke affected production devuan systems how? There is just so much wrong ab

Re: [DNG] Fwd: April's fools mess

2019-04-02 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 2/4/19 11:33 pm, Rowland Penny via Dng wrote: > On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 14:28:52 +0200 Arnt Karlsen > wrote: > >> On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 14:29:46 +0300, Dimitris wrote in message >> : >> >>> - TZ difference is bad. we should all go GMT or something >

Re: [DNG] What you saw on devuan.org yesterday was an April's fools joke

2019-04-05 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, On 5/4/19 11:28 pm, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: > On 05-04-19 11:16, Simon Hobson wrote: >> chillfan wrote: >> >>> Katolaz is working very hard to ensure we have releases, but I >>> didn't realise he was doing all this even. >> I did

Re: [DNG] What you saw on devuan.org yesterday was an April's fools joke

2019-04-05 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, On 6/4/19 12:41 am, chillfan--- via Dng wrote: > I'm not sure then if the bus-factor does apply, but I'm sure none > of the core developers are the type to cross the road without > looking ;-) Sure, but the "bus factor" is not just relating to

Re: [DNG] Way forward

2019-04-21 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, On 15/4/19 5:07 am, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: > On 14-04-19 21:03, Jim Jackson wrote: >> >> I find this somewhat amusing. Have you ever followed the linux >> kernel email list, and watched the falling out and aggression >> there ha

[DNG] GPG signing of emails

2019-04-21 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, For those that choose to sign their emails, please do so using "inline PGP", this way the message parts that are signed will get properly covered and can easily be checked for validity. I use Thunderbird with Enigmail, and I don't automatically

[DNG] issue with mailserver adding mail. to domain for email address....

2019-05-14 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, I've got a weird problem, two servers are essentially setup identically, but one is giving me grief. I've got entries like the following on both servers in /etc/email-addresses user1: user1--u...@example.com.au root: root--u...@example.com.au

Re: [DNG] issue with mailserver adding mail. to domain for email address....

2019-05-14 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, On 15/5/19 10:43 am, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > On the bad server I can do the following as root I removed mailutils from the bad server and installed bsd-mailx and that fixed the problem. The /etc/alternatives/mailx were different on the

[DNG] Weird problem with every kernel update

2019-06-23 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, Hardware NUC6i7KYK. Every time I do a kernel upgrade (Devuan ASCII), rebooting loses USB devices shortly after grub kicks in. I have to boot a USB stick, which (Devuan Jessie Live), start a rescue session and do all the following steps: 1. au

Re: [DNG] Weird problem with every kernel update

2019-06-25 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, On 25/6/19 10:23 am, Gregory Nowak wrote: > On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 06:50:48AM +1000, Andrew McGlashan wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Hardware NUC6i7KYK. >> >> Every time I do a kernel upgrade (Devuan ASCII), rebooting l

Re: [DNG] Weird problem with every kernel update

2019-07-26 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, On 27/6/19 10:00 am, Gregory Nowak wrote: > On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 01:10:20AM +1000, Andrew McGlashan wrote: >> On 25/6/19 10:23 am, Gregory Nowak wrote: >>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 06:50:48AM +1000, Andrew McGlashan >&g

Re: [DNG] Weird problem with every kernel update

2019-07-27 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, On 27/7/19 8:29 pm, Pontus Goffe via Dng wrote: > On 2019-07-27 03:44, Andrew McGlashan wrote: >> Okay, it turns out that Devuan Jessie includes two extra modules >> that needed to be added to the Devuan Ascii >> /etc/in

Re: [DNG] linux-image-4.9.0-9-amd64 update breaks networking

2019-08-09 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi, On 8/8/19 9:44 am, Chris Richmond wrote: >     I updated anotherwise stock Devuan ASCII install and > gotlinux-image-4.9.0-9-amd64, and it breaks one > > of my ethernet connections that’s using dhcp.  Rebooting and > selectinglinux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64restores > > functionality. > > Any sugg

Re: [DNG] Patch for /etc/os-release on ascii

2019-08-23 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 24/8/19 1:12 pm, Lars Noodén via Dng wrote: > It might help to have the same level of detail for /etc/os-release > on both ascii and beowulf. That would allow a more standardized > approach to automatically detecting the versions. Perhaps the

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-10-10 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi Steve, First off, I fully support your initiative. On 9/10/19 5:25 pm, Steve Litt wrote: > I can't give you proof, but I can give a strong piece of evidence: > > http://asay.blogspot.com/2006/10/interview-with-red-hat-cto-brian.html > I think

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-22 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Jo. On 23/11/19 12:26 am, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote: > In the worst case we would not be able to rely on MX Linux? I think not. MX is not exactly against systemd, they use it still, but not as the init system. And MX is reliant upon Debian any

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-22 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
Hi, On 23/11/19 4:38 am, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 03:17:58 +1100, Andrew wrote in message > : > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA256 >> >> Jo. >> >> On 23/11/19 12:26 am, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote: >>> In the worst case we would not be able to rely on MX Linu

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-23 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, On 24/11/19 1:21 am, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..apologies, I just hit the Reply-button and saw you on the > Cc:-line, and was led to believe that was your intention. > Responding to this message, I found I had to hit the > ReplyAll-button to get yo

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-26 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi Rick, On 26/11/19 3:22 pm, Rick Moen wrote: > and just let the two or three users of that mode curse me > as long as they feel is therapeutic. Love it! Great way to deal with it. On 26/11/19 8:33 pm, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..anotherwa

Re: [DNG] Formail for managing digests, Epoch

2019-11-27 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, On 27/11/19 7:42 pm, Stephane Ascoet wrote: > Arnt Karlsen: > >> ..you can't (AFAIK), you do it outside your MUA, with e.g.: 'cat >> $DIGEST |formail +1 -ds procmail ' > > HI, yes, it was clear that it couldn't be done graphically in > Thunderbi

Re: [DNG] Fw: looking for a replacement for debian since systemd

2019-12-13 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
Hi, On 14/12/19 2:30 pm, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > >> According to this message on the Debian-User email message, Debian is >> working on dumping non-systemd inits. > > I continue to be unimpressed by the debian-user mailing list as a source > of reliab

Re: [DNG] :-) Don't get into a pissing contest with Rick Moen

2019-12-24 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
Hi, On 19/12/19 10:27 pm, Steve Litt wrote: > My advice, don't get into a pissing contest with Rick Moen: You'll > lose. I know, I've lost many times. Rick and I are actually good > friends, but when we disagree, we get in a pissing contest, and I'm > always the guy ending up dripping wet. > > If

Re: [DNG] :-) Don't get into a pissing contest with Rick Moen

2019-12-24 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
On 25/12/19 5:17 pm, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Andrew McGlashan via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org): > >> Although I don't expect to win pissing contests (especially with >> Rick), I tend to decide that the other opinion /may/ be true or not >> and simply beg to differ

Re: [DNG] Result of the Debian vote 'General Resolution: Init systems and systemd'

2019-12-28 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, On 28/12/19 9:03 pm, Alexis PM via Dng wrote: > A mediocre result, neither good nor bad. The best option for people > who don't want to use systemd, Option 6 "E: Support for multiple > init systems is Required", came in last. But Option 1 "F: Fo

Re: [DNG] Again, again: DMARC is a no-win problem for mailing lists

2019-12-28 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 29/12/19 12:01 am, Mark Rousell wrote: > On 28/12/2019 07:01, Steve Litt wrote: >> So, if we insist on assisting Yahoo, Gmail, Hotmail, and their >> ilk, and all their users, by incorporating DMARC > > Really, it's surely not a matter of willing

Re: [DNG] Result of the Debian vote 'General Resolution: Init systems and systemd'

2019-12-30 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 30/12/19 3:10 pm, terryc wrote: > On Sat, 28 Dec 2019 23:11:16 +1100 Andrew McGlashan via Dng > wrote: In my experience, when people who do > not do the work start telling the people who do do the work, what > to do, many efforts

Re: [DNG] Result of the Debian vote 'General Resolution: Init systems and systemd'

2019-12-31 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, On 31/12/19 7:46 am, Steve Litt wrote: > I didn't hear anyone telling people what to do. I heard Tom ask a > question. Tom? I think you meant me ? Cheers A -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iHUEAREIAB0WIQTJAoMHtC6YydLfjUOoFmvLt+/i+wUCXgt6ogA

Re: [DNG] Catching up (was Re: Result of the Debian vote 'General Resolution: Init systems and systemd')

2019-12-31 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, On 31/12/19 12:32 pm, Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng wrote: > fsmithred via Dng writes: >> On 12/29/19 10:46 PM, tom wrote: >>> I know Devuan has been pretty much more or less 'to create a >>> binary compatible Debian but without systemd', but at what

Re: [DNG] Catching up (was Re: Result of the Debian vote 'General Resolution: Init systems and systemd')

2019-12-31 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, -- essentially same message, but with line resizing to help with gpg sig -- On 31/12/19 12:32 pm, Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng wrote: > fsmithred via Dng writes: >> On 12/29/19 10:46 PM, tom wrote: >>> I know Devuan has been pretty muc

Re: [DNG] Catching up (was Re: Result of the Debian vote 'General Resolution: Init systems and systemd')

2019-12-31 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, On 1/1/20 4:20 am, fsmithred via Dng wrote: > On 12/31/19 12:06 PM, Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: > >> So how long before we can expect to get stable release of >> Beowulf? Is there a reasonable timeline available yet

Re: [DNG] Catching up (was Re: Result of the Debian vote 'General Resolution: Init systems and systemd')

2019-12-31 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, On 1/1/20 6:53 am, fsmithred via Dng wrote: > On 12/31/19 2:16 PM, Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 >> >> Hi, >> >> On 1/1/20 4:20 am, fsmithred via Dng wrote:

Re: [DNG] buster to beowulf

2020-02-03 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
ify it's checksum? Passes shellcheck cleanly. Cheers A. -- Andrew McGlashan IT Support & Broadband Solutions Affinity Vision Australia Pty Ltd *** buster_migration.sh.orig 2020-02-03 20:56:10.696650864 +1100 --- buster_migration.sh 2020-02-03 21:09:41.708648329 +1100 *

Re: [DNG] buster to beowulf

2020-02-03 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
Hi, On 3/2/20 9:28 pm, Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: > On 17/1/20 6:37 pm, Mark Hindley wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 06:45:44PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: >> Yes, I have been working on this. >> >> Attached is the script I have been testing. It single steps th

[DNG] Terrible reporting / puff piece about systemd

2020-02-03 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
Horrid article that could have been written by pro-systemd Debian devs themselves. https://fossforce.com/2020/02/the-verdict-on-systemd-is-in/ Throw your 2pence in, I have; not that I expect my post to actually remain or remain without a counter attack :( A. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP

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