[DNG] bind9 updates broke, needed second aptitude update

2022-03-19 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
Hi, I found on a couple of systems that an upgrade of bind9 caused it to fail to start. The fix [for me] was to do a second update/upgrade as well as making sure that /etc/resolv.conf had a nameserver it could find and use. I must have just been caught after doing the update to the faulty ver

Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?

2022-01-19 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
On 20/1/22 5:07 pm, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > On 2022-01-19 23:08, Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: >> >> About the logo, /if/ Okay, then about the IMAGE ... /if/ ... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.d

Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?

2022-01-19 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
On 20/1/22 7:56 am, Steve Litt wrote: > Syeed Ali said on Wed, 19 Jan 2022 09:56:59 -0800 > >> On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 22:59:35 -0600 >> goli...@devuan.org wrote: >> >>> Or this might be even better https://transfer.sh/CeUT0r/if-rev3.png >> >> I submit: >> >> "Freedom includes init choice." > > V

Re: [DNG] Youtube is slow and advertisement laden: Was: Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video

2022-01-19 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
On 17/1/22 1:54 pm, Ken Dibble wrote: > Or just install tsp and submit the download commands to the queue. What is "tsp" ? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?

2022-01-19 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
On 20/1/22 1:03 am, Antony Stone wrote: > On Wednesday 19 January 2022 at 15:02:00, Hendrik Boom wrote: > >> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 10:59:35PM -0600, goli...@devuan.org wrote: Like this? https://transfer.sh/cTgmNi/if-rev2.png >>> >>> Or this might be even better https://transfer.sh/CeUT0r/

Re: [DNG] Problems with SPF of dyne.org for this mailing list

2022-01-19 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
Hi, Not fixed? Did anybody look at this. There are a bunch of new messages now coming from one or more other IP addresses for the list. A. On 6/1/22 11:15 pm, Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: > This report/notice is generated from the  mail server which handles > incoming and outgoing

[DNG] Problems with SPF of dyne.org for this mailing list

2022-01-06 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
Hi, This report/notice is generated from the  mail server which handles incoming and outgoing emails for: the mailing list NB: Incoming email has been flagged with a permanent error due to the currently defined SPF ruleset as setup by those responsible for the SENDING domain name.   Sending IP

Re: [DNG] kvm -- virsh failed shutdown -- reason was missing acpid on vm [resolved]

2021-03-25 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
Hi, On 26/3/21 12:25 am, Antony Stone wrote: > On Thursday 25 March 2021 at 14:16:52, Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: > >> "virsh shutdown vmname" >> >> The immediate response was that it would shutdown the vm >> >> However, d

[DNG] kvm -- virsh failed shutdown -- reason was missing acpid on vm [resolved]

2021-03-25 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
Hi, I set up a new kvm machine with beowulf 3.1 and created a simple vm that I plan to use for Wireguard. The problem I had was with doing: "virsh shutdown vmname" The immediate response was that it would shutdown the vm However, doing "virsh list --all" still showed the vm

Re: [DNG] Upgrade problem [ ascii -> beowulf ] failed to boot, left at initramfs shell -- with fix and query

2020-07-08 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
On 8/7/20 10:07 pm, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Wed, Jul 08, 2020 at 06:14:51PM +1000, Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: >> >> >> On 8/7/20 7:31 am, Alexander Bochmann wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> ...on Tue, Jul 07, 2020 at 02:00:38AM +1000, Andrew McGlashan

Re: [DNG] Upgrade problem [ ascii -> beowulf ] failed to boot, left at initramfs shell -- with fix and query

2020-07-08 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
On 8/7/20 7:31 am, Alexander Bochmann wrote: > Hi, > > ...on Tue, Jul 07, 2020 at 02:00:38AM +1000, Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: > > > After the dist-upgrade, it failed to boot and remained at the ministrants > shell environment after having complained about not b

Re: [DNG] Upgrade problem [ ascii -> beowulf ] failed to boot, left at initramfs shell -- with fix and query

2020-07-07 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
On 7/7/20 8:58 am, Hendrik Boom wrote: > Doesn't systemd require a merged /usr partition? It sounds as if a > systemd-ism has crept into our boot process. > > Fortunately I haven't upgraded my server to beowulf yet. Probably I know that Debian wants merged /usr, wasn't sure it was specif

[DNG] Upgrade problem [ ascii -> beowulf ] failed to boot, left at initramfs shell -- with fix and query

2020-07-06 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
Hi, I had another "simple" server upgrade from Devuan Ascii to Devuan Beowulf, these are the details and my work around for the problem. There was nothing particularly special about this server, it doesn't use encrypted file systems; it started out life as a Debian Wheezy installation, migrat

Re: [DNG] Upgrade problem [ ascii -> beowulf ] chrooted bind9 server -- /usr/share/dns/root.hints issue -- with fix

2020-07-05 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
start properly, immediately and again after another reboot. Should it be all good now? Thanks A. On 6/7/20 12:04 am, Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: > Hi, > > I just upgraded fron Devuan ascii to beowulf with the server running bind9 in > a chroot environment and bind wou

[DNG] Upgrade problem [ ascii -> beowulf ] chrooted bind9 server -- /usr/share/dns/root.hints issue -- with fix

2020-07-05 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
Hi, I just upgraded fron Devuan ascii to beowulf with the server running bind9 in a chroot environment and bind would not start. _This was the relevant error in /var/log/daemon.log_ Jul  5 23:36:43 bind9-server-name named[6476]: *could not configure root hints from '/usr/share/dns/root.hi

Re: [DNG] Ascii to Beowulf upgrade - 32% slowdown !

2020-06-12 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
Hi, On 12/6/20 8:49 pm, Riccardo Mottola via Dng wrote: > Hi all! > > I just upgraded from ascii to beowulf a pretty decent laptop, equipped > with a core i7 and 8GB of RAM. > > I upgraded everything in place: so same desktop environment, same > applications, same hard disk... just "apt-get dist

Re: [DNG] Out of data ca-certificates causing problems with wget and curl now...

2020-06-01 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
Hi, On 2/6/20 1:32 am, Ian Zimmerman wrote: >> $ wget -v4U "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 >> Firefox/60.0" https://www.idrix.fr/VeraCrypt/canary.txt--2020-06-01 >> 09:15:48-- >> https://www.idrix.fr/VeraCrypt/canary.txt >> Connecting to 127.0.0.1:8118... connected. >> ERRO

Re: [DNG] Out of data ca-certificates causing problems with wget and curl now...

2020-06-01 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
Hi, On 1/6/20 6:37 pm, d...@d404.nl wrote: > On 01-06-2020 01:31, Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: >> ca-certificates >> >> /usr/bin/aptitude show -t stretch-backports ca-certificates: >> E: Unable to locate package ca-certificates: >> >> https://packages.de

Re: [DNG] Out of data ca-certificates causing problems with wget and curl now...

2020-05-31 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
OUT OF DATE -- not data On 1/6/20 9:31 am, Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: > ca-certificates > > /usr/bin/aptitude show -t stretch-backports ca-certificates: > E: Unable to locate package ca-certificates: > > https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=stretch-bac

[DNG] Out of data ca-certificates causing problems with wget and curl now...

2020-05-31 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
Hi, ca-certificates /usr/bin/aptitude show -t stretch-backports ca-certificates: E: Unable to locate package ca-certificates: https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=stretch-backports&keywords=ca-certificates Is there any chance of getting a backport of the package in buster without migrat

Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux

2020-03-15 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
Hi, On 16/3/20 5:51 am, Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: > On 13/3/20 1:59 pm, Steve Litt wrote: >> It's called POSIX. With POSIX, I always have shellscripts, AWK and sort >> ready to do my work for me. With POSIX, I can pipe a stdout into the >> next stdin. With POS

Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux

2020-03-15 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
Hi, On 13/3/20 1:59 pm, Steve Litt wrote: > It's called POSIX. With POSIX, I always have shellscripts, AWK and sort > ready to do my work for me. With POSIX, I can pipe a stdout into the > next stdin. With POSIX, I can plug in anything conforming to POSIX, > such as dmenu, a genius of a program th

[DNG] Terrible reporting / puff piece about systemd

2020-02-03 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
Horrid article that could have been written by pro-systemd Debian devs themselves. https://fossforce.com/2020/02/the-verdict-on-systemd-is-in/ Throw your 2pence in, I have; not that I expect my post to actually remain or remain without a counter attack :( A. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP

Re: [DNG] buster to beowulf

2020-02-03 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
Hi, On 3/2/20 9:28 pm, Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: > On 17/1/20 6:37 pm, Mark Hindley wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 06:45:44PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: >> Yes, I have been working on this. >> >> Attached is the script I have been testing. It single steps th

Re: [DNG] buster to beowulf

2020-02-03 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
Hi, On 17/1/20 6:37 pm, Mark Hindley wrote: > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 06:45:44PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > Yes, I have been working on this. > > Attached is the script I have been testing. It single steps through. I've attached a patch file. AIUI it is better to specifically path /bin/bash r

Re: [DNG] Catching up (was Re: Result of the Debian vote 'General Resolution: Init systems and systemd')

2019-12-31 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, On 1/1/20 6:53 am, fsmithred via Dng wrote: > On 12/31/19 2:16 PM, Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 >> >> Hi, >> >> On 1/1/20 4:20 am, fsmithred via Dng wrote:

Re: [DNG] Catching up (was Re: Result of the Debian vote 'General Resolution: Init systems and systemd')

2019-12-31 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, On 1/1/20 4:20 am, fsmithred via Dng wrote: > On 12/31/19 12:06 PM, Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: > >> So how long before we can expect to get stable release of >> Beowulf? Is there a reasonable timeline available yet

Re: [DNG] Catching up (was Re: Result of the Debian vote 'General Resolution: Init systems and systemd')

2019-12-31 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, -- essentially same message, but with line resizing to help with gpg sig -- On 31/12/19 12:32 pm, Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng wrote: > fsmithred via Dng writes: >> On 12/29/19 10:46 PM, tom wrote: >>> I know Devuan has been pretty muc

Re: [DNG] Catching up (was Re: Result of the Debian vote 'General Resolution: Init systems and systemd')

2019-12-31 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, On 31/12/19 12:32 pm, Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng wrote: > fsmithred via Dng writes: >> On 12/29/19 10:46 PM, tom wrote: >>> I know Devuan has been pretty much more or less 'to create a >>> binary compatible Debian but without systemd', but at what

Re: [DNG] Result of the Debian vote 'General Resolution: Init systems and systemd'

2019-12-31 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, On 31/12/19 7:46 am, Steve Litt wrote: > I didn't hear anyone telling people what to do. I heard Tom ask a > question. Tom? I think you meant me ? Cheers A -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iHUEAREIAB0WIQTJAoMHtC6YydLfjUOoFmvLt+/i+wUCXgt6ogA

Re: [DNG] Result of the Debian vote 'General Resolution: Init systems and systemd'

2019-12-30 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 30/12/19 3:10 pm, terryc wrote: > On Sat, 28 Dec 2019 23:11:16 +1100 Andrew McGlashan via Dng > wrote: In my experience, when people who do > not do the work start telling the people who do do the work, what > to do, many efforts

Re: [DNG] Again, again: DMARC is a no-win problem for mailing lists

2019-12-28 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 29/12/19 12:01 am, Mark Rousell wrote: > On 28/12/2019 07:01, Steve Litt wrote: >> So, if we insist on assisting Yahoo, Gmail, Hotmail, and their >> ilk, and all their users, by incorporating DMARC > > Really, it's surely not a matter of willing

Re: [DNG] Result of the Debian vote 'General Resolution: Init systems and systemd'

2019-12-28 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, On 28/12/19 9:03 pm, Alexis PM via Dng wrote: > A mediocre result, neither good nor bad. The best option for people > who don't want to use systemd, Option 6 "E: Support for multiple > init systems is Required", came in last. But Option 1 "F: Fo

Re: [DNG] :-) Don't get into a pissing contest with Rick Moen

2019-12-24 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
On 25/12/19 5:17 pm, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Andrew McGlashan via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org): > >> Although I don't expect to win pissing contests (especially with >> Rick), I tend to decide that the other opinion /may/ be true or not >> and simply beg to differ

Re: [DNG] :-) Don't get into a pissing contest with Rick Moen

2019-12-24 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
Hi, On 19/12/19 10:27 pm, Steve Litt wrote: > My advice, don't get into a pissing contest with Rick Moen: You'll > lose. I know, I've lost many times. Rick and I are actually good > friends, but when we disagree, we get in a pissing contest, and I'm > always the guy ending up dripping wet. > > If

Re: [DNG] Fw: looking for a replacement for debian since systemd

2019-12-13 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
Hi, On 14/12/19 2:30 pm, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > >> According to this message on the Debian-User email message, Debian is >> working on dumping non-systemd inits. > > I continue to be unimpressed by the debian-user mailing list as a source > of reliab

Re: [DNG] Formail for managing digests, Epoch

2019-11-27 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, On 27/11/19 7:42 pm, Stephane Ascoet wrote: > Arnt Karlsen: > >> ..you can't (AFAIK), you do it outside your MUA, with e.g.: 'cat >> $DIGEST |formail +1 -ds procmail ' > > HI, yes, it was clear that it couldn't be done graphically in > Thunderbi

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-26 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi Rick, On 26/11/19 3:22 pm, Rick Moen wrote: > and just let the two or three users of that mode curse me > as long as they feel is therapeutic. Love it! Great way to deal with it. On 26/11/19 8:33 pm, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..anotherwa

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-23 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, On 24/11/19 1:21 am, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..apologies, I just hit the Reply-button and saw you on the > Cc:-line, and was led to believe that was your intention. > Responding to this message, I found I had to hit the > ReplyAll-button to get yo

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-22 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
Hi, On 23/11/19 4:38 am, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 03:17:58 +1100, Andrew wrote in message > : > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA256 >> >> Jo. >> >> On 23/11/19 12:26 am, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote: >>> In the worst case we would not be able to rely on MX Linu

Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

2019-11-22 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Jo. On 23/11/19 12:26 am, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote: > In the worst case we would not be able to rely on MX Linux? I think not. MX is not exactly against systemd, they use it still, but not as the init system. And MX is reliant upon Debian any

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-10-10 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi Steve, First off, I fully support your initiative. On 9/10/19 5:25 pm, Steve Litt wrote: > I can't give you proof, but I can give a strong piece of evidence: > > http://asay.blogspot.com/2006/10/interview-with-red-hat-cto-brian.html > I think