Re: [DNG] Apparently Jessie has runit

2016-01-21 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 09:14:48AM +, Simon Hobson wrote: > Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > > The sendmail init scripts is 1340 lines long, 901 of which contain code. > > I wasn't aware of that, I am inclined to agree that it sounds "way too much" Presuably because sendmail is way too much. --

Re: [DNG] Does dunst require dbus?

2016-01-21 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 11:03:18AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 21/01/2016 05:57, Simon Wise a écrit : > >On 19/01/16 04:59, Steve Litt wrote: > >>On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 13:31:43 +1100 > >>Simon Wise wrote: > >> > >>>But recently discovered that xfce4-terminal loses critical > >>>functionality with

Re: [DNG] Input Method Framework

2016-01-20 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 08:46:52AM +0900, メット wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > > > 「snip」 > >>removed dbus and installed fluxbox > 「snip」 > >> Was wondering if sby knew a non-dbus dependant IM or a way to circumvent > >> this. > > > >Why do input methids hang out i

Re: [DNG] Input Method Framework

2016-01-20 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 08:58:32AM +0900, メット wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > Hi dear list, > > Thanks again for all the work u did on Dev1 and tell me if I can help in > anyway. > > I followed devuanfanboy howto, removed dbus and installed fluxbox(was under > xf

Re: [DNG] lilo development has ended

2016-01-19 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 03:25:13PM +, Nuno Magalhães wrote: > On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 2:44 PM, dev1fanboy > wrote: > > So I assume lilo has stopped development altogether from the last release, > > and we can look forward to only having the more complex grub2. I'm still using lolp on Debian

Re: [DNG] Predictable Network Interface Names - Stupid or good idea?

2016-01-09 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Jan 09, 2016 at 09:19:33PM +0100, Anto wrote: > > On 09/01/16 19:44, shraptor wrote: > >On 2016-01-09 19:17, Anto wrote: > > > >>On the topic. It would be quite interesting how vdev will be (or is) > >>managing this network interface naming assignment. Do you have any > >>comment on this,

[DNG] Debian is going ahead with non-free-firmware

2016-01-09 Thread Hendrik Boom
Just got this on the debian-boot list. It may affect our operations, though probably not severely. -- hendrik On Sat, Jan 09, 2016 at 11:51:08AM +0100, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > Hi, > > I think there was consensus to introduce the non-free-firmware section > and move the non-free firmware blob

Re: [DNG] PAM usage

2016-01-07 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Jan 07, 2016 at 07:13:56PM +0100, k...@aspodata.se wrote: > Rainer Weikusat: > ... > > Patient: Doctor! Doctor! Whenever I do X, it hurts terribly! > > Doctor: Don't do X. > > Not that I'm immune to it myself, but when I look att others, I do > wonder why people continue to do X. I do X.

Re: [DNG] FW: support for merged /usr in Debian

2016-01-05 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jan 05, 2016 at 09:20:31AM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > Clarke Sideroad writes: > > > So I've been thinking more about this as to why? > > > > > > It is quite obvious that it is driven by Redhat to be the same as Oracle > > > Solaris, they say as much. > > > > That

Re: [DNG] FW: support for merged /usr in Debian

2016-01-05 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jan 05, 2016 at 04:52:07PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 05/01/2016 15:59, Rob Owens a écrit : > >I have customers who use a shared /usr among several zLinux > >systems, and the reason is cost savings. > For my information: They don't share rootfs? How do they manage > package upgrade?

[DNG] restarts

2016-01-05 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jan 05, 2016 at 09:51:22AM -0500, Rob Owens wrote: > > The problem is that the people behind this merge are inexperienced as system > admins. Being a good programmer does not by itself qualify a person to > decide on the types of changes they are proposing. You need to be an > experienc

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuringminimalism

2016-01-05 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Nov 08, 2015 at 09:30:04AM -0500, Patrice Remy wrote: > After the reboot (half way through the instructions), those with a > Wifi network card won't be able to continue (install xfce4, and so > on...) because they won't be in x-windows anymore, and the > network-manager app needs x-windows

[DNG] On reading ancient threads.

2016-01-05 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jan 05, 2016 at 02:32:47PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 05/01/2016 14:30, Didier Kryn a écrit : > >Le 08/11/2015 16:51, Haines Brown a écrit : > >>Some people (but not I) might recommend LyX as a compromise. > > > >Lyx is not for newbies. It's convenient for experienced LaTeX > >users

Re: [DNG] Giving Devuan sans-initramfs capabilities

2016-01-04 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 10:10:34AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 02:01:32AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > But there's a third option, that could be offered as a non-default > > choice: > > > > 3) Compile ext4 and only the

Re: [DNG] Giving Devuan sans-initramfs capabilities

2016-01-04 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 02:01:32AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > But there's a third option, that could be offered as a non-default > choice: > > 3) Compile ext4 and only the most common hard drive and SSD drivers >into a separate and optional kernel that doesn't call an >initramfs, but me

Re: [DNG] support for merged /usr in Debian

2016-01-02 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Jan 02, 2016 at 01:04:58PM +, Simon Hobson wrote: > Clarke Sideroad wrote: > > > I see little choice but to make the merged bin option available, after > > all this is all about choice, but for gosh sakes it should not be the > > default. > > The issue - as I see it - is much the sa

Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite

2015-12-31 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 08:51:51AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 30/12/2015 22:06, fsmithred a écrit : > >On 12/29/2015 09:30 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > >>>I installed LXDE into my devuan alpha 2 system, but I do not know how > >>>to ask for it. My system boots i

Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite

2015-12-29 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 01:10:58PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 10:42:15 -0500 > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > Are there other window > > managers we could use in the name of minimalism? > > There are approximately one million, three hundred and thirty

Re: [DNG] Name of the thumb drive automounter

2015-12-28 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 08:53:10PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 08:19:45PM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote: > > amountd LOL > > Of course. After all, it is a demon. > > But if it's a demmon that does mnt, perhaps it should be amntd? Sorry for t

Re: [DNG] Name of the thumb drive automounter

2015-12-28 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 08:19:45PM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote: > amountd LOL Of course. After all, it is a demon. But if it's a demmon that does mnt, perhaps it should be amntd? -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglist

Re: [DNG] I've got the automounter running

2015-12-28 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 08:54:29PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 19:37:08 +0100, Didier wrote in message > <56818154.2070...@in2p3.fr>: > > > Le 28/12/2015 19:22, Simon Hobson a écrit : > > > The cache gets written out when the background system processes > > > clean up and wri

Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite

2015-12-28 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 03:04:35PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 14:49:04 -0500 > Mitt Green wrote: > > > golinux wrote: > > > > >I specifically asked what should be REMOVED from the default xfce > > >desktop > > > > Nothing. Xfce even lack necessary components like pdf viewe

Re: [DNG] I've got the automounter running

2015-12-28 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 05:17:01PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 28/12/2015 14:29, Simon Hobson a écrit : > >Didier Kryn wrote: > > > >>>There remains a fundamental problem with automatic mount/umount. While > >>>automounting is safe, auto-unmounting is not if it is triggered by device > >>>rem

Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite

2015-12-28 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 09:20:05AM -0500, Mitt Green wrote: > Adam Borowski wrote: > > >Note that xfce4 in unstable doesn't support alsa anymore as sound platform > >agnostic xfce4-mixer has been dropped. The replacement, > >xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin, is pulseaudio only. > > I reckon it haven't rea

Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite

2015-12-27 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 09:38:09PM +, Go Linux wrote: > As a result of a discussion on #devuan, I've opened an issue for suggestions > to make the xfce desktop lighter here: > > https://git.devuan.org/d-i/tasksel/issues/12 > > Personally, I'd start with libreoffice. Please suggest your favo

Re: [DNG] netman-autostart_0.1.1

2015-12-24 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 12:53:49PM +0100, aitor_czr wrote: > Hi, > > On 24/12/15 12:33, Edward Bartolo wrote: > >Hi, > > > >Which questions should I ask during the installation of netman-gui > >regarding autostarting and autoconnecting. > > > >I suggest these, but listening to what others have to

Re: [DNG] Our friendly community

2015-12-20 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 01:20:58PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 12:21:11PM +0100, John Hughes wrote: > > On 20/12/15 11:18, Adam Borowski wrote: > > >On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 10:12:05AM +0100, John Hughes wrote: > > >> > > >>Huh? systemd-shim is a tool for using libbpam-sys

Re: [DNG] Our friendly community

2015-12-18 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 05:06:43PM +0100, John Hughes wrote: > On 18/12/15 16:51, Mitt Green wrote: > > > I previously thought that Devuan aim was to remove > >*any* of systemd components. > > Funny, I thought Devuan was about choice. Indeed, both are true. Devuan is about choice. Since Debian

Re: [DNG] netman: Please, do NOT use 17-Dec-2015 commit/merge

2015-12-17 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 09:27:47PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi All, > > I have just 'accidentally' damaged netman's git sources. Please, do > NOT use the 17th December 2015 commits until I resolve the problem. I > am trying to integrate Rainer's debian/rules patch but I am failing. > > If s

Re: [DNG] Which email client can I use to properly quote emails?

2015-12-16 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 04:32:10PM +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote: > On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 14:16:07 + > Simon Hobson wrote: > > > Just make sure that you either keep backups of the local copy, or > > make sure the sync process won't delete stuff from the local copy. > > Otherwise, if the provider

Re: [DNG] Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

2015-12-15 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 08:44:23PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > Hi Rainer, > > Thanks for your help. This means assuming a user is available at the > terminal during installation violates the Debian policy. But isn't there some mechanism for configuring packaes at installation time? I cer

Re: [DNG] Which email client can I use to properly quote emails?

2015-12-14 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 01:58:52PM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2015 14 Dec 13:48 -0600, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > What email client do you suggest me to use so that I can properly > > quote previous replies? I use gmail's classic webmail interface as my > > computer lags wit

Re: [DNG] Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

2015-12-14 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Dec 09, 2015 at 05:43:51PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Steve Litt writes: > > [...] > > > GIT is everywhere, now. I need to stop being that guy who looks up a > > few commands and dabbles with GIT, and start being a GIT expert. > > My personal theory on that is "university education

Re: [DNG] Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

2015-12-14 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 07:53:17AM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi, > > On 13 Dec 2015 Aitor wrote: > Creating a 'netman.desktop' file in '/etc/xdg/autostart' directory, > netman will start automatically. > > I am thinking about making autostarting and connecting automatically > to wifi optiona

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

2015-12-13 Thread Hendrik Boom
7;t sweat it. -- hendrik > > On 13/12/2015, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 12:57:29PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > >> Dear Katola, > >> > >> Would you please refrain from writing insults as these truly prove > >> '"ind

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

2015-12-13 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 12:57:29PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Dear Katola, > > Would you please refrain from writing insults as these truly prove > '"indifference" and "selfishness"'? Why would anyone resort to > bullying tactics to psychologically manipulate those who see an issue > different

Re: [DNG] Pushed my debianized netman sources.

2015-12-12 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 10:58:03PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi, > > I git pushed my debianized netman sources although I cannot claim they > are perfect as I lack experience as a packager, but this is my little > contribution to the project. Thank you. Is it likely to go onto jessie? Or j

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

2015-12-12 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 10:40:08AM +0100, Rainer H. Rauschenberg wrote: > On Fri, 11 Dec 2015, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > > This suggests that another 'default behaviour' is "client can't do > > threading based on References" > > I think this is (together with non-text-only-mails) the main reas

Re: [DNG] Pointer error in the backend of Netman

2015-12-11 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 01:04:18PM +0100, Irrwahn wrote: > > [pedantic mode=full] There is no C/C++ language. Those > are two distinct languages, looking uncannily similar > in places. Unfortunately. [pedantic/] Nonetheless, it is possible, and even practical, to write a program in the interse

Re: [DNG] Pointer error in the backend of Netman

2015-12-11 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 11:23:24AM +, KatolaZ wrote: > > C is one of the few remaining languages which is consistent about > allowing only one of the many possible argument passing > mechanisms. And the mechanism chosen by C is pass-by-value. Fullstop. Historical note: it may have picked up t

Re: [DNG] Netman Communication

2015-12-10 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 06:48:16PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 12:47:05AM +0100, Patrick Erdmann wrote: > > would it be possible to use github comments or a seperate mailing list > > for Netman? > > > > Some days it feels like this is the Netman Mailing list and Devuan is

Re: [DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd

2015-11-26 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 09:31:21PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > Hi all, > I think the subject makes my question clear enough, but I'll provide > some background. The x86_64 machine I'm currently using as a > router/freenet node/i2p node has some components which are on the > brink of failing, the

Re: [DNG] Experiencing with GtkBuilder

2015-11-24 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 10:32:31PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi Steve et al, > > The only problem that comes to my mind about Lazarus and Pascal, is > many Linux users would not have a Pascal compiler (fpc) > installed on their machines. Consequently, netman will fail to build > while other p

Re: [DNG] Experiencing with GtkBuilder

2015-11-24 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 06:06:44AM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi All, > > That pascal class was horribly written with nested functions down to > four or five levels! Imagine having to translate that without using > nested functions. I worked around by using local classes and passed > parameter

Re: [DNG] Experiencing with GtkBuilder

2015-11-23 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 10:58:47AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 23 Nov 2015 06:45:54 -0500 > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > There is a well-known hack in C wheereby you rely on C allocating > > fields of structures independently of later fields. > > > &g

Re: [DNG] Experiencing with GtkBuilder

2015-11-23 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 05:49:29AM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2015 23 Nov 00:53 -0600, aitor_czr wrote: > > In my opinion, using C with lists will be the most suitable. > > Have you looked at what glib provides? It is an underlying library of > GTK and seems to contain many such solutions

Re: [DNG] Experiencing with GtkBuilder

2015-11-23 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 01:06:04PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi All, > > Is it possible to use classes and objects while using gtk2/3? I > noticed that only functions are used and that class use is ovoided by > prepending functions with a group string. As far as I know, C can > still use stru

Re: [DNG] Experiencing with GtkBuilder

2015-11-23 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 03:09:34PM +, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Yes, of course, C structures can be declared that way, but the fact > remains that the contents of the ancestor's structure are not merged > into the heir. This means, to access a member N ancestors deep, one > has to specify all of

Re: [DNG] Is netman being adopted or was it a waste of time and effort?

2015-11-23 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 06:48:43PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi, > > Font size depends on your pixels per inch setting. If your screen > resolution is very high fonts can also appear smaller than intended. > > Please reply giving me your screen resolution and your estimate of > font size in

Re: [DNG] Removing of systemd causes removal of CUPS

2015-11-20 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:23:43AM +, Antonio Trkdz.tab wrote: > Dear All, > > I recently upgraded to Devuan from Wheezy. > I investigate the possibility to remove any trace of systemd from my > system, but > in the list of packets to be purged there is also CUPS and a bunch of its > dependenc

Re: [DNG] Is netman being adopted or was it a waste of time and effort?

2015-11-20 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 06:51:04AM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi All, > > At the moment, I am too busy to stay online. I am writing to ask > whether there are users of netman to evaluate whether my efforts were > worthwhile or not. > I'm interested in trying netman, and also interested in tr

Re: [DNG] Problems of Devuan installer (Alpha2) I experinced.

2015-11-16 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 08:55:58PM +0900, janpeng...@riseup.net wrote: > Hi, > > I tried to install Duvuan using Devuan installer few times but all > the attempts failed due to partitioning the hard disk, followed by > GRUB installation at the end. So I used Debian installer (7.0 and > 8.2) to cre

Re: [DNG] netman packages

2015-11-15 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 12:45:23PM +0100, aitor_czr wrote: > Sorry, Hendrik, i forgot to checkout the gbp-master brach > (git-buildpackage): > > $ git clone https://git.devuan.org/aitor_czr/netman.git > $ cd netman > $ pristine-tar checkout ../netman_0.1.1~468c97d.orig.tar.bz2 > $ git checkout gbp

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free network-manager package

2015-11-14 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 08:10:57PM +0300, Mitt Green wrote: > ‎I remember Squeeze with Xfce was (is, > since it is still supported) > using it by default as well. > > By the way, why not plain > wpa_supplicant? It's lightweight unlike  > Wicd and is included on each Unix > system by default nowada

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free network-manager package

2015-11-14 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 05:22:15PM +0300, 4ernov wrote: > Thank you for this suggestion, just tried netman and it really works just > fine. > > But my initial questions are still there if I'm write to notice that > network-manager is kind of 'default' package for desktop connection > management (

Re: [DNG] OT: Degree?

2015-11-14 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 11:16:22AM +0300, Mitt Green wrote: > Thank you, Simon. > > I'll probably get my second degree as CS, > I'm currently in a different (non-tech) university. > I hope money we'll pay worth it. The good thing > is that you don't need to pass exams one more time, > they will on

Re: [DNG] OT: Degree?

2015-11-12 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 10:47:06PM +0200, Dima Krasner wrote: > I was surprised to see that their problem solving skills, horizontal > knowledge (i.e confusion and embarrassment when someone else used > terms like "GCC", "Clang", "JIT", "inline" or "strip" in a > conversation about compilers),

Re: [DNG] An abrupt end to Debian Live CD version?

2015-11-12 Thread Hendrik Boom
I thought I should mention, before the towel is irretrievably lost, that you'd probably find a welcome in the devuan project. We tend to respect developers. I thnk you'd find a devuan live CD more to your liking, given current politics. I'll follow with a recent post on the devuan mailing li

[DNG] greybeards

2015-11-12 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 01:54:37PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 16:57:19 +0300 > Mitt Green wrote: > > > ‎I wonder how many people that use Debian for quite long time (since > > 90s or the beginning of this millennium) really like systemd, GNOME3 > > and all these controversial

[DNG] netman packages

2015-11-10 Thread Hendrik Boom
Is this still the place to get netman packages and source to try them out? Is there a better place to find source code? -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Detailed technical treatise of systemd

2015-11-10 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 05:01:41PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Didier Kryn writes: > > Le 10/11/2015 01:01, Hendrik Boom a écrit : > > [...] > > >> I used chrony as my NTP client. If the discrepancy between local time > >> on the machine and the correct

Re: [DNG] Detailed technical treatise of systemd

2015-11-09 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Nov 09, 2015 at 09:57:48PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 09/11/2015 20:12, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : > >After booting, the discrepancy between the RTC clock and the actual time > >is unknown. > I remember having had a problem with two servers when the time > discrepency reached 5mn (It

[DNG] Office packs and revision control

2015-11-08 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 07:20:30AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 23:08:07 -0800 > Isaac Dunham wrote: > > > > > > LibreOffice has too many dependencies, as well as AbiWord, while > > > > I'd like to remain minimalistic. > > > > > > > > What do you use daily and would advise? > >

[DNG] laptop beeps

2015-11-05 Thread Hendrik Boom
Every now and then my laptop beeps. It happens approximately once a minute, although it is not at all regular, and sometimes the time between beeps is as little as ten seconds. Sometimes it's quiet for longer stretches of time, then it starts again. It stopped when I logged out, and started

Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 13, Issue 53

2015-10-19 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 09:09:03PM +0200, aitor_czr wrote: > I use the '==' operator. For example, in the case of a file: > > FILE *fp; > > if ( fp = fopen ( "file_name", "w") == NULL) { ... error message, > and exit... } Won't that assign the result of the equality test to fp instead of the FIL

Re: [DNG] Printing -- now a permissions problem

2015-10-19 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 08:11:51PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > Send_job is the name of the lprng function for sending a job to a remote > print server. If you specifiy > > 515@172.25.1.122 > > as printer, it will try to connect to port 515 on 172.25.1.122 (default > port) and then try to

Re: [DNG] Printing -- now a permissions problem

2015-10-19 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 02:49:47PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 07:04:20PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > > > Adjusting the permission accordingly, ie, make lpr owned by root and > > setuid 0 and the spool directory owned and writable by lp may

Re: [DNG] Printing -- now a permissions problem

2015-10-19 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 07:04:20PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Hendrik Boom writes: > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 05:47:57PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > [...] > > > > root@notlookedfor:/home/hendrik# strace -f /usr/bin/lpr -h -PHL3170CDW > > Documents

Re: [DNG] Printing -- now a permissions problem

2015-10-19 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 05:47:57PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Hendrik Boom writes: > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 05:21:06PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > [...] > > >> You could try running the lpr command via strace -f which ought to > >> provide mo

Re: [DNG] Printing -- now a permissions problem

2015-10-19 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 05:21:06PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Hendrik Boom writes: > > [...] > > > >> Since group has no permission and owner has all, only the owner > >> should matter. But the group s bit, AFAIR is something which > >> dis

Re: [DNG] Printing -- now a permissions problem

2015-10-19 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 12:15:54PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 12:11:08PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 10:32:04AM -0500, Thaddeus Nielsen wrote: > > > On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:47:22 -0400 > > > Hendrik Boom wrote: &g

Re: [DNG] Printing -- now a permissions problem

2015-10-19 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 12:11:08PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 10:32:04AM -0500, Thaddeus Nielsen wrote: > > On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:47:22 -0400 > > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 09:38:20AM -0500, Thaddeus Nielsen wrot

Re: [DNG] Printing -- now a permissions problem

2015-10-19 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 10:32:04AM -0500, Thaddeus Nielsen wrote: > On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:47:22 -0400 > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 09:38:20AM -0500, Thaddeus Nielsen wrote: > > > On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 16:05:37 +0200 > > > Didier Kryn wrote

Re: [DNG] Printing -- now a permissions problem

2015-10-19 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 05:28:04PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 19/10/2015 16:38, Thaddeus Nielsen a écrit : > >On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 16:05:37 +0200 > >Didier Kryn wrote: > > > >>Le 19/10/2015 15:24, Hendrik Boom a écrit : > >>>On Mon, Oct 05, 20

Re: [DNG] Printing -- now a permissions problem

2015-10-19 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 09:38:20AM -0500, Thaddeus Nielsen wrote: > On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 16:05:37 +0200 > Didier Kryn wrote: > > > Le 19/10/2015 15:24, Hendrik Boom a écrit : > > > On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 05:13:40PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > >> On M

Re: [DNG] Printing -- now a permissions problem

2015-10-19 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 04:05:37PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 19/10/2015 15:24, Hendrik Boom a écrit : > >On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 05:13:40PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > >>On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 09:47:02PM +0200, Riccardo Boninsegna wrote: > >>>On Mon, Oct 5,

Re: [DNG] Printing -- now a permissions problem

2015-10-19 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 05:13:40PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 09:47:02PM +0200, Riccardo Boninsegna wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:12 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > I installed lpr, and it did take a lot of cups off. Do I really need > &g

Re: [DNG] What is the meaning of this gcc warning?

2015-10-19 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 10:05:09AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi, > > Could someone explain to me what is the meaning of this error and what > I should do to avoid having this warning? > > edbarx@edbarx-pc:~/netman/backend_src/src$ gcc -Wall -Wfatal-errors -g > -lm -I../include core_functions

Re: [DNG] gvfs alternatives

2015-10-17 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 03:57:59PM +0200, Dragan FOSS wrote: > On 10/17/2015 03:50 PM, Mitt Green wrote: > >Hi, > > > >Since gvfs is big (speaking of number of packages) and requires systemd > > http://angband.pl/debian/pool/main/g/gvfs/ Interesting. Debian actually tags package version numbers

Re: [DNG] Detailed technical treatise of systemd

2015-10-16 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 11:38:14AM -0400, richard white wrote: > All, > > A detailed technical treatise of systemd > http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/ > > -Rich There's some discussion of this taking place at Soylent News: https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/10/15/1347246

Re: [DNG] os-prober detects Devuan as "Unknown Linux Distribution"

2015-10-05 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Oct 06, 2015 at 02:59:20AM +0100, David Hare wrote: > On 05/10/15 22:25, Adam Borowski wrote: > >On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 08:19:10PM +0100, David Hare wrote: > >>Don't know if there is an "official" plan to sort this. It is an annoyance > >>that os-prober (normally run at update-grub) detect

Re: [DNG] Printing

2015-10-05 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 09:47:02PM +0200, Riccardo Boninsegna wrote: > On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:12 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > I installed lpr, and it did take a lot of cups off. Do I really need cups? > > Nope, especially with a Brother that's very LPR-friendly! > As you

Re: [DNG] Printing

2015-10-05 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 07:36:35PM +0100, Rowland Penny wrote: > On 05/10/15 19:28, Hendrik Boom wrote: > >On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 06:54:53PM +0100, Rowland Penny wrote: > >>On 05/10/15 18:48, Hendrik Boom wrote: > >>>I made the /var/spool/lpd directory manu

Re: [DNG] Printing

2015-10-05 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 06:54:53PM +0100, Rowland Penny wrote: > On 05/10/15 18:48, Hendrik Boom wrote: > >I made the /var/spool/lpd directory manually, since a search of Debian > >packages didn't find any package that includes it as part of its > >infrastructure. >

Re: [DNG] Printing

2015-10-05 Thread Hendrik Boom
of Unix in the 1970's. -- hendrik On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 12:35:25PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 06:02:30PM +0200, Riccardo Boninsegna wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 5:52 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > Obtaining a driver from Brother's supp

Re: [DNG] Printing

2015-10-05 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 06:02:30PM +0200, Riccardo Boninsegna wrote: > On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 5:52 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > Obtaining a driver from Brother's support site as a .deb file, I tried to > > install it with dpkg: > > > > root@notlookedfor:/home/hendr

[DNG] Printing

2015-10-05 Thread Hendrik Boom
I recall a long and spirited discussiio here a while ago about how easy and simple it is to do printing, and that CUPS is a bloated incomprehensible system that just makes it all complicated, I decided test this by setting up my devuan system to talk to my networked printer. With or without CU

Re: [DNG] Purpose of an OS: was network device naming (was: What can I do after netman?)

2015-10-04 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Oct 04, 2015 at 04:57:15PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote: > k...@aspodata.se wrote: > > >> This is why you use UUID= or LABEL= in /etc/fstab. > > +1 for that. I use LABEL=, but it's annoying that Debian's grub-install > doesn't handle that (it only has options for device name or UUID). > >

[DNG] Another "Debian" in the code

2015-10-04 Thread Hendrik Boom
When running aptitude in interactive mode, I opened the "Security Updates" section and the "devel" section and found the "main" section was describbed as "The main Debian archive". -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglis

Re: [DNG] Purpose of an OS: was network device naming (was: What can I do after netman?)

2015-10-03 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Oct 03, 2015 at 08:49:04AM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote: > poitr pogo wrote: > > > > I thought it was stupid for other reasons, but now that you mention it, > > > > > yeah, naming it after the particular slot into which it's plugged in is > > > stupid, and if you take the box apart and move

Re: [DNG] mailing list software

2015-10-02 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Oct 02, 2015 at 12:30:30PM -0400, JeremyBekka C wrote: > I have been using my gmail account to read this mailing list but I would > like to move over to a program specifically designed for mailing lists. I > found mailman and it looks like it would work well. Just wondering if I > could get

Re: [DNG] netman: support for wlan1, wlan2, ... and eth1, eth2, .... and new systemd's naming scheme

2015-09-30 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 09:09:52PM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi All, > > My next coding task is to implement support for other network devices > besides eth0 and wlan0. > > Since supporting other network devices essentially is including the > new device names in the essid interfaces file, I

Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitu..?

2015-09-28 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 09:39:08PM +0200, natacha wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, > > > On 09/28/2015 08:10 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > > Hi natacha,The first four sections look pretty standard. > Yes, it is standard and very minimal, by curiosity, which txt are

Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?

2015-09-26 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 08:16:06AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 08:04:15AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > I dedicated hours upon hours of my free time, often resulting in a > > headache to complete the project within reasonable time. However, I go > > a beati

[DNG] (1) netman package? (2) reliablility of devuan testing?

2015-09-26 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 01:31:25PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 11:21:43 -0400 > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > I'm currently using wicd, and there's one user-oriented feature it > > seems to lack. When I'm at a site where they provide wif

Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?

2015-09-26 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 01:25:09PM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: > This is a screen shot with the Edit dialog shown. > http://postimg.org/image/9obv7fnlp/ Your aerial view walpaper is lovely. It's on the verge of giving me vertigo. I'm wondering if there are technical reasons to switch from wic

Re: [DNG] [announce] s6-rc, a s6-based service manager for Unix systems

2015-09-25 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 03:59:19PM +0200, Laurent Bercot wrote: > On 25/09/2015 09:05, Simon Hobson wrote: > > > >There's nothing that gets people impatient > >better than something that appears to be taking a long time "doing > >nothing" ! > > Show them a terminal with a lot of scrolling gibbe

Re: [DNG] [announce] s6-rc, a s6-based service manager for Unix systems

2015-09-25 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 07:01:16AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 09:28:28PM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > > > But let's be honest here: how many times does it happen that you have > > > to reboot a production server nowadays? > > > > I think you are overlooking the

Re: [DNG] Ho do I remove added files using git?

2015-09-21 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 11:12:24AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 09:24:03AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > That would be a far simpler task than having to learn using > > git for I task that most probably I wouldn't use again. > > Avoiding learning git is a bad idea for a

Re: [DNG] libpam-xdg-support / libpam-systemd

2015-09-17 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:29:50PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote: > I think XDG_SESSION_COOKIE is more aimed at restoring the previously > saved session state on login, ie start up all the applications and > get them to exactly the same state as it was at when previous > log-out occured (assuming all

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