Re: [DNG] aptitude gone mad with installation requests

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 07:42:55PM +1300, Daniel Reurich wrote: > On 18/12/16 15:48, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 01:18:08AM +0100, info at smallinnovations.nl wrote: > >> On 18-12-16 00:59, Hendrik Boom wrote: > >>> well, the suse complaint is

Re: [DNG] aptitude gone mad with installation requests

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 07:42:55PM +1300, Daniel Reurich wrote: > On 18/12/16 15:48, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 01:18:08AM +0100, info at smallinnovations.nl wrote: > >> On 18-12-16 00:59, Hendrik Boom wrote: > >>> well, the suse complaint is

Re: [DNG] aptitude gone mad with installation requests

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 01:18:08AM +0100, info at smallinnovations.nl wrote: > On 18-12-16 00:59, Hendrik Boom wrote: > >well, the suse complaint is gone now. > > > >aptitude still tries to install a huge set of unwanted packages. > >apt works just fine. > > >

Re: [DNG] aptitude gone mad with installation requests

On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 06:45:24PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 12:08:03AM +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote: > > On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 17:21:35 -0500 > > Hendrik Boom <hend...@topoi.pooq.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at

Re: [DNG] aptitude gone mad with installation requests

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 12:08:03AM +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote: > On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 17:21:35 -0500 > Hendrik Boom <hend...@topoi.pooq.com> wrote: > > > > On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 10:37:48PM +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote: > > > > > > and everyt

Re: [DNG] aptitude gone mad with installation requests

On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 05:17:56PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 10:37:48PM +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote: > > On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 15:46:00 -0500 > > Hendrik Boom <hend...@topoi.pooq.com> wrote: > > > > > I tried using aptitude in int

Re: [DNG] aptitude gone mad with installation requests

On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 10:37:48PM +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote: > On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 15:46:00 -0500 > Hendrik Boom <hend...@topoi.pooq.com> wrote: > > > I tried using aptitude in interactive more to do a routine update and > > upgrade. It complains that there are

Re: [DNG] Networking on installation: was Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

On Thu, Dec 08, 2016 at 07:44:28PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > > Well, it's pretty likely things are quantized at or around Planck's length, > that makes everything integers, and thus the state of the Universe can be > represented in a finite number of bits (although the Planck's length is >

Re: [DNG] Networking on installation: was Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

On Thu, Dec 08, 2016 at 02:44:50PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > The most common cases involve WPA2 or (especially at hotels) wide open. > Those are easily accommodated at the script level. If anybody's using > WEP anymore, they deserve to be diverted to wicd. Worst is probably the connections

Re: [DNG] trouble with wifi one step away

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 08:02:07PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > I'm looking for ideas to solve this problem. > > Something's wrong. When I an in myt regular coffee shop, my phone has > no trouble using the wifi, but my Devuan laptop cannot. > > My laptop will connect to the

[DNG] trouble with wifi one step away

I'm looking for ideas to solve this problem. Something's wrong. When I an in myt regular coffee shop, my phone has no trouble using the wifi, but my Devuan laptop cannot. My laptop will connect to the coffee shop'w wifi modem, which has IP number 172.16.0.1 and gives me IP number

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 03:05:38PM -0500, Rob Owens wrote: > A solution might be to: > > 1) rename this list if deemed necessary And inform gmane of thte change. > 2) route all devuan-discuss emails to dng -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list

[DNG] impending release candidate?

On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 10:20:08AM +0100, hellekin wrote: > everyone is rushing to > prepare a new beta version of JESSIE that will act as an Release Candidate. An impending release candidate is good news. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list

Re: [DNG] USB bootable ISO for i386

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:49:43PM +0800, Robert Storey wrote: > Hi. Thanks to everyone for suggestions on how to diagnose the problem. It > might well be something to do with PAE or UEFI, or maybe his processor is > an i486. I'll see him tomorrow and try to figure it out, but I don't want > to

[DNG] booting the installation ISO

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 02:54:29AM +0200, aitor_czr wrote: > > Hi, > > On 10/17/2016 12:29 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: > >On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 08:58:28AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > >>>On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:05:54AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote: > >I've introduced Devuan

Re: [DNG] What does Devuan expect from a boot-loader?

On Mon, Oct 03, 2016 at 10:33:44AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr): > > But I understand perfectly others can make different choices, > > and I support the idea of keeping multiple options available. > > I seriously don't even understand why anyone would think

Re: [DNG] vdev - android

On Fri, Sep 02, 2016 at 11:12:00AM +0100, Dave Turner wrote: > > dmesg knew all about my android tablet when I plugged it in, why can't vdev > pick it up from there? > > this is what I had to add into 51-android having had a look at dmesg first. > > #my cheap Android tablet >

[DNG] tor and systemd?

On Thu, Sep 01, 2016 at 02:28:04PM +0200, shraptor wrote: > > Official tor builds will pull in libsystemd0 How official? upstream's? or Debian's? -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] vdev packaging

On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 11:12:19AM -0400, fsmithred wrote: > > > What I've been doing to switch between vdev and udev is to edit the boot > command at the grub menu. > > Save a copy of the pre-vdev initrd under a different name. > To boot with udev, edit the boot menu to point to this intird,

Re: [DNG] vdev packaging

On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 08:45:35AM +1000, Ralph Ronnquist wrote: > > > shraptor wrote on 27/08/16 02:08: > >On 2016-08-26 17:41, shraptor wrote: > >>On 2016-08-25 14:06, Ralph Ronnquist wrote: > >>>So, I took the steps of forking Jude Nelson's vdev on git.devuan.org, > >>>and augmenting it with

Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over

On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 06:27:58PM +, Go Linux wrote: > Looks like the second poll has ended. There's a new one up today and voting > is no longer an option. Here are the final results: > > Poll results for: The state of Devuan > > I have tried Devuan and it is ready to use: 95 (27%) >

Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 01:55:49PM +, Go Linux wrote: > On Fri, 8/19/16, Adam Borowski wrote: > > Subject: Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > Date: Friday, August 19, 2016, 2:13 AM > > On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 01:21:24AM +, Go

Re: [DNG] lilo development has ended

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 02:09:02PM +0200, k...@aspodata.se wrote: > Henrik Boom: > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:05:12PM +0200, k...@aspodata.se wrote: > ... > > > Next scenario is if you have the bootloader on a different media, say > > > e.g. a floppy. Then, will lilo load the kernel from disk 2

Re: [DNG] vdev - udev is a dead end

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 03:10:37PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Hendrik Boom (hend...@topoi.pooq.com): > > > Just to be clear, that's the point of open source *as* *originally* > > *envisaged*. Unfortunately, I believe there has been a campaign to > > devalue th

Re: [DNG] vdev - udev is a dead end

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 02:12:06PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > However, even an open source codebase over which a single, evil-leaning > commercial entity owns sole copyright can be forked at any time. By > anyone. All you need is code access and an appropriate licence. > > That's the whole

Re: [DNG] lilo development has ended

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:05:12PM +0200, k...@aspodata.se wrote: > Rick Moen: > > Quoting k...@aspodata.se (k...@aspodata.se): > > > It does not care about MBR vs. GPT as long it can find the blocks where > > > the kernel and possible initrd/initramfs is. > > > I use Lilo on two GPT formatted

Re: [DNG] lilo development has ended

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 02:44:59PM -, dev1fanboy wrote: > https://lilo.alioth.debian.org/ > > The author has updated their site to say: > > "NOTE: I will finish development of LILO at December 2015 because of some > limitations (e.g. with BTFS, GPT, RAID). If someone want to develop this

[DNG] DNS at startup

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 03:25:01AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > There shouldn't IMO be broken DNS any more on modern networked *ix > hosts. Run a local recursive resolver and list 127.0.0.1 as the first > resolv.conf entry. It's 2016, guys. Why isn't a local resolver the default? Why do we

[DNG] keyrings

While doing a routine upgrade on my Davuan jessie system, aptitude told me that devscripts, dpkg-dev, and libdpkg-perl recommend debian-keyring. Is this still correct for Devuan, perhaps because we use many of Debian's packages? Should this be changed to devuan-keyring? Or even both

Re: [DNG] vdev

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 09:40:37AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote: > > I have to do some work now, I look forward to the packages. Maybe you > > can add a small README.txt for those who are willing to test vdev. > > Yes please. A small README.TXT explaining what we have to do to set up and > install

Re: [DNG] Your computer clock: Was:Re: vdev

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 10:59:07AM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote: > aitor_czr wrote: > > > My clock is right: > > > > aitor@gnuinos:~$ date > > Thu Aug 11 11:14:02 CEST 2016 > > Err, no it isn't - unless you've found the secret of time travel ! You're a > day ahead of us. >

Re: [DNG] Bootloaders (was: SystemD's brownie points over non-systemd OSs)

On Tue, Aug 09, 2016 at 12:46:26PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Tue, Aug 09, 2016 at 12:04:17AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > > > In recent years, as I got progressively more irritated with byzantinely > > overengineered distro-packaged software barging onto my Linux sy

Re: [DNG] Would you guys hate me if...

On Sat, Aug 06, 2016 at 04:26:15AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Fri, 5 Aug 2016 23:43:33 -0400 > Hendrik Boom <hend...@topoi.pooq.com> wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 05, 2016 at 03:15:24PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > And the preceding system

Re: [DNG] Would you guys hate me if...

On Sat, Aug 06, 2016 at 10:39:14AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: > In the case of simple parsing requirements, I prefer to have the > program itself do the parsing instead of relying on an external > parser. This remove the extra dependency on the parser. > > I would also like to comment on the

Re: [DNG] Would you guys hate me if...

On Fri, Aug 05, 2016 at 03:15:24PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Fri, 5 Aug 2016 04:29:53 -0400 > Hendrik Boom <hend...@topoi.pooq.com> wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 05, 2016 at 07:50:26AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > > >

Re: [DNG] Wordiness of code.

On Fri, Aug 05, 2016 at 10:37:42AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 05/08/2016 10:16, Hendrik Boom a écrit : > > There's no real advantage in having to use > >BEGIN and END instead of { and }. > > > Explanation below, maybe - '{' isn't visible enough, and it's us

Re: [DNG] Would you guys hate me if...

On Fri, Aug 05, 2016 at 07:50:26AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi All, > > I suggest a simple text file to store all menu information in a format > that doesn't require any specific parsers to be installed. Some argue > and seem to have a point, XML is not that readable for many users and >

Re: [DNG] Politics of IT in the U.S. government

On Thu, Aug 04, 2016 at 07:18:12PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > Expectations (again): They said OOP must be all or nothing. Smalltalk > good, Perl bad. No fair using structured code where it works best, and > objects where they work best. Nope, if you're not 100% OOP, you're just > a hack. LOL,

Re: [DNG] Would you guys hate me if...

On Thu, Aug 04, 2016 at 03:16:49PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Thu, Aug 04, 2016 at 10:05:33AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > If I were making a general purpose menu program that might eventually > > end up in Devuan, would you hate me if I made it depend on MongoDB? > > Same

Re: [DNG] Politics of IT in the U.S. government

On Wed, Aug 03, 2016 at 11:51:32PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > > COBOL has fixed point base 10 operations, which is mandatory for > financial computation. C hasn't. I've heared that, in the US at least, > floating point operations are illegal in the finance area. The only other > language I

Re: [DNG] Politics of IT in the U.S. government

On Wed, Aug 03, 2016 at 02:41:29PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > Politics of IT in the U.S. government > > http://www.itworld.com/article/3103585/government-it/politics-blamed-for-feds-reliance-on-old-it.html > > Hi all, > > In the preceding article, put away all the politics: That's not the >

Re: [DNG] [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 07:38:07AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 01:55:57PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote: > > Why are we dragging up a thread from over a year ago?? > > > > I strongly disagree, installing "Recommends" are IMHO reasonable for the > > common case, and that

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 06:35:39AM +, hellekin wrote: > On 07/29/2016 12:10 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > Can we get Joey Hess to review it? > > > > I sent him a message on IRC and by email including the draft's URL. But > I don't know him personally, so I w

[DNG] flat tires in SystemD

On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 09:02:22AM -0300, Marlon Nunes wrote: > https://www.ubuntubsd.org/wiki:why_not_systemd > > 12 points about why its bad. > My favorite line from this is "reinvents the flat tire" -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list

[DNG] On quora.

On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 12:17:16PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > True story. As one of ten founders of a LUG in 1999, and > concerned about some future "evil group" "kidnapping" the LUG, I > convinced everyone to put a very difficult quorum requirement into the > constitution. Everyone was excited

Re: [DNG] configure a wifi connection from commandline

On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 11:09:39AM +0200, uht...@posteo.de wrote: > I installed a basic devuan ascii to qemu and hopefully i went to /etc > to configure from the commandline a working wireless connection. But, > nada - there is no wpa_supplicant (which i expected to be there). I have

Re: [DNG] How do I install Devuan NOW

On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 12:58:21PM +1000, terryc wrote: > After looking before and following the instructions there, I've > upgraded Debian wheezy to Debian Jessie and apparently that isn't > how you do it now. Since you are asking on this list, do you mean upgrading to *devuan* jessie? That's

Re: [DNG] man init

On Sat, Jun 04, 2016 at 01:27:25PM +0200, Friedhelm Mehnert wrote: > On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 21:10:05 -1000 > Joel Roth wrote: > > > My system is devuan/jessie, upgraded from debian. was that from debian jessie? > > > > It's interesting that 'man init' brings up the > > systemd man

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 02:33:31AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > But I'm getting the vibes that you are uninterested in 'overcoming > dependency obstacles' through local system administration. You'd rather > that someone else solves your problem. > > I understand. I'd like someone else to solve

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 10:34:55AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > By the way, what specifically does 'entangle it with unwanted > systemd-isms' actually _mean_, and what does that have to do with > whatever-the-heck-it-was that Rainier said? Once again, it seems to me, > there's vagueness in

Re: [DNG] Wirth's law

On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 08:15:27AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 26/07/2016 12:59, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : > >Didier Kryn writes: > >>Le 25/07/2016 01:29, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : > >>>Sleeping on a contended mutex is implemented in this way. But that's > >>>supposed to be an

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 11:01:04AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Rainer Weikusat (rweiku...@talktalk.net): > > > Rick Moen writes: > > > Quoting Rainer Weikusat (rweiku...@talktalk.net): > > > > > >> To re-iterate this: > > > > > > [more very strangely worded,

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 02:17:01PM +0100, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > Hendrik Boom writes: > >Just linking isn't enough, unless there's something about the loading > >process that I don't know. (Maybe C++ has something special for module > >initialization?) > &g

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 07:37:12AM +0100, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > Hi Rainer, > > could you describe how this could be used to, say, make all applications > that link with libsystemd print "Hello world!" in addition to their normal > function? Just linking isn't enough, unless there's something

Re: [DNG] Wirth's law

On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 11:30:47PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 24/07/2016 22:37, Jaromil a écrit : > >On Sun, 24 Jul 2016, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > > >>Didier Kryn writes: > >>>Le 22/07/2016 18:21, Brian Nash a écrit : > For example, when I discovered multithreading, all

Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan

On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 11:02:19PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 23 Jul 2016 23:36:06 +0200 > aitor_czr wrote: > > > > Help, Steve Litt !! > > > >Aitor. > > I think a separate theme is needed for people with fuzzy vision. > > PRIORITIES: > > * Readability

Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 09:09:28AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > I've now replaced Slim by Lightdm. Dunno what key "sysrq" is. sysrq is sometimes labelled PrtSc. In the old DOS days, it would print the screen. No doubt this might require documentation, too. -- hendrik

Re: [DNG] Flexible software (Was: F1 and special usernames on the login screen)

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 09:57:41PM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Simon Walter wrote: > > > Since this is Devuan (something about veteran *unix* admins, and > > coming from Debian - the *universal* OS), I would not have expected > > Devuan's fans and users to be so close minded. >

Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 03:03:35PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote: > Didier Kryn wrote: > > >I guess this is exactly what "multi-seat" means: severall keyboards and > > severall grapical cards connected to the same host. It certainly does not > > include serial terminals. Serial

Re: [DNG] Larcenous mail threads.

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 11:29:25PM +0900, Simon Walter wrote: > On 07/18/2016 11:06 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > >On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 08:16:03AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: > >>Hi, > >> > >>Simon Walker wrote: > > > >> > >><&

Re: [DNG] Larcenous mail threads.

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 08:16:03AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi, > > Simon Walker wrote: > > << > Can you explain how a computer works to a child or perhaps a rubber duck? > >> > You place a child at the same level as a rubber duck?! A child can > understand provided any concepts used are

[DNG] with or without libsystemd0

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 08:54:44AM -0400, fsmithred wrote: > On 07/16/2016 05:12 AM, Rick Moen wrote: > > You probably wouldn't even like removing libsystemd0 entirely and > > replacing it with an 'equivs' recipe, which could also be done if one > > really, really, really were concerned. > > > >

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 12:44:33PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > > > Due to my needs, my situation, my beliefs, and my skillset, an OS from > > the Debian project doesn't work for me. I've said why about 15 times on > > two mailing lists. For *me*,

[DNG] Optional libraries

On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 01:51:37PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote: > Now, if the devs/maintainers used a "if it's there call it, if it > isn't then don't" approach then I could see that working. I assume > that is a possible way of calling library functions given the number > of programs with

Re: [DNG] C Obfuscated code: a virtue or a vice?

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 09:12:21PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 03:37:58PM -0400, Peter Olson wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > I'm a fan of Donald Knuth as well. My funny story is that when I was in > > college, I got an offer from Addison-Wesley to preorder the seven volume > >

Re: [DNG] C Obfuscated code: a virtue or a vice?

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 03:37:58PM -0400, Peter Olson wrote: > > On July 15, 2016 at 5:12 AM Jaromil wrote: > > > > On Fri, 15 Jul 2016, Peter Olson wrote: > > > > > You misunderstand what the IOCCC is about. It's a game. Nobody > > > trying to write useful code will do

Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (Steve Litt)

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 02:25:01AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > Cool! Like F1, these four things should be discoverable from text on the > login screen. Or else put this on the login screen, along with the F1 stuff: 1) Hold down Alt and SysRq and type "reisub" to reboot, or 2) Alt-SysRq plus

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 02:24:31AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > What I did (that was documented on the OpenRC conversion page) sufficed > to prove that common claims about deep and pervasive systemd-dependency > problems in Debian 8 have been vastly exaggerated (I list in detail the > ones that

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 10:41:36PM +0200, Dragan FOSS wrote: > > Can you explain what is the *essential difference* between > > Pin-Priority: -1 for systemd packages > in /etc/apt/preferences > > and > ... > banpkgs: systemd,systemd-sysv > ... > part of amprolla.conf ? Not much difference in

[DNG] OT: 2000 words per day.

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 08:45:09PM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > > I have no time now to recall all the analysis :^( plus for other > reasons I'm typing approx 2000 words per day and its becoming sort of > taxing on my hands. Congratulations! If you'd call all that a novel and do it during November

[DNG] OT: Lovecraft analogies to systemd

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 10:40:50PM +0200, emnin...@riseup.net wrote: > Hi Arnt! > > Am Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:07:56 + > schrieb Arnt Karlsen : > > > > > > > I don't use Slackware because their package manager won't figure out > > > dependencies for me, causing me to need 10x

[DNG] tools for writing

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 10:19:03PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:00:55 -0400 > Hendrik Boom <hend...@topoi.pooq.com> wrote: > > But now that you appear to write books on Linux, may I ask what > > software you use to do it? > > The only book I

Re: [DNG] Just giving the devuan-sdk a try out

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 05:59:55PM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > On Mon, 11 Jul 2016, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 09:16:40AM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > > > hi Ozi > > > > > > yes please wait till next release, we are heavy on the rew

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 12:33:43PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > I don't use Slackware because their package manager won't figure out > dependencies for me, causing me to need 10x the time to install some > things (and I install a lot of stuff --- did I ever mention I write > books for a living?).

Re: [DNG] Just giving the devuan-sdk a try out

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 09:16:40AM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > hi Ozi > > yes please wait till next release, we are heavy on the rewriting ATM > also it has been moved and modularized, latest is here > > https://git.devuan.org/groups/sdk > > but its not finished so I don't recommend trying it.

Re: [DNG] Studying C as told. (For help)

On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 05:05:29PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 11:48:25AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > > > I am not asking because I want to be pedantic, but rather because this > > > is usually where parsing con

Re: [DNG] Studying C as told. (For help)

On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 07:03:36AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 06:26:35AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Since any grammar item has boundaries it makes sense for a syntax > > checker to pass boundaries to syntax checking functions. The first > > step would be to

Re: [DNG] OT: Algol w, 68, Pascal, Ada

On Tue, Jul 05, 2016 at 10:44:47AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 04/07/2016 19:25, Hendrik Boom a écrit : > >On Mon, Jul 04, 2016 at 06:32:38AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > >> Ada also. BTW, Ada is considered a descendant of Pascal, which is a > >>descendant of Alg

[DNG] OT: Algol w, 68, Pascal, Ada

On Mon, Jul 04, 2016 at 06:32:38AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 03/07/2016 23:17, Hendrik Boom a écrit : > >On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 01:36:14PM -0400, Peter Olson wrote: > > > >>Can I download your compiler that fixes all my mistakes? I could really > >>use

[DNG] OT: OCaml and Modula 3

On Sun, Jul 03, 2016 at 07:24:04PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sun, 3 Jul 2016 17:17:35 -0400 > Hendrik Boom <hend...@topoi.pooq.com> wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 01:36:14PM -0400, Peter Olson wrote: > > > > > > > > Can I download your

Re: [DNG] Studying C as told. (For help)

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 01:36:14PM -0400, Peter Olson wrote: > > Can I download your compiler that fixes all my mistakes? I could really use > such a tool. Yes, as a matter of fat you can -- almost. Two languages I use have the property that once the program gets through the compiler,

Re: [DNG] OT: tiny widget toolkit [Was: Building w/ gtk2 vs gtk3]

On Sat, Jul 02, 2016 at 08:00:40AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 02/07/2016 03:08, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult a écrit : > >apropos widget toolkits: > > > >I'm currently hacking my own tiny widget toolkit, primarily targetted > >for embedded systems (for now only DRM-FB, X and Wayland coming

Re: [DNG] Building w/ gtk2 vs gtk3

On Fri, Jul 01, 2016 at 06:22:02PM +0100, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > Hendrik Boom writes: > >One thing I'm wondering about with GTK3 -- does GTK3 have the annoying > >16-bit limitation on pixel counts? That has bitten me with GTK2. It > >severely limits one's scrolling r

Re: [DNG] Building w/ gtk2 vs gtk3

On Fri, Jul 01, 2016 at 06:18:28AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Fri, Jul 01, 2016 at 04:40:30AM +0200, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult > wrote: > > I'm currently packaging recent geeqie for Ubuntu Trustry > > (which I'm still running on my notebook), and that leads me > > to an interesting

Re: [DNG] Firefox-ESR and XUL

On Fri, Jul 01, 2016 at 12:17:34PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 09:55:35PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > > dev1fanboy wrote: > > > Just want to point out Firefox ESR has now made it's way into Jessie, > > > along with many bloaty features like pocket and eventually no XUL. >

Re: [DNG] [Dng] What about pulseaudio, avahi, ... ?

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 08:45:34PM +0200, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: > On 01.04.2015 21:26, Jude Nelson wrote: > > Unlike systemd, you can easily get a working desktop system without > > PulseAudio, even on Debian. > > Many applications depend on the pulseaudio client library (not >

Re: [DNG] Studying C as told. (For help)

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 06:36:25AM -0400, Peter Olson wrote: > n 2016-06-29 06:00, Didier Kryn wrote: > > Le 29/06/2016 11:54, Peter Olson a écrit : > > [..] > > >> They are talking about numbers, so the largest such number is the most > >> negative. > >> > >> You might want to think about

Re: [DNG] Studying C as told. (For help)

On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 01:21:33AM +0200, Irrwahn wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 14:33:21 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > [...] > > I often use continue and break, but every time I do, I make a mental > > note that I'm decreasing modularity and thus reducing the scalability > > of my code. Of course, I

Re: [DNG] Studying C as told. (For help)

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 11:34:23PM -0400, Peter Olson wrote: > > On June 23, 2016 at 10:48 AM Edward Bartolo wrote: > > if (count > 0) > > while(putchar(' ') && --count); > > I strongly recommend using the continue statement here: > > while(putchar(' ') && --count)

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Mini init script written in Perl boots.

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 09:35:17AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > You seem to work in a university's maths faculty. Can you explain to > me this paradox? > > Consider Set I = {, -3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2 , 3, }, the set of > Integers that is infinite in size having neither a lower bound nor

Re: [DNG] Mini init script written in Perl boots.

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 07:48:11PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > I would say that nowadays things like: > > - Mounting filesystems > - Configuring networking > - Configuring consoles > - Launching daemons for different services > - Offering logins > > are all part fo what I consider "system

Re: [DNG] Mini init script written in Perl boots.

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 04:55:40PM +0200, Irrwahn wrote: > > It's this arrogant attitude of "alright, got it, easy enough, > now I'm gonna improve on it" without bothering to actually > get to the bottom of even the basic concepts behind it, that > brought us systemd and other crap. If you

Re: [DNG] Installer Devuan Jessie 1.0 fails

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 07:59:09PM +0900, Simon Walter wrote: > > We are not so spoiled that we need to use a mouse for everything, are we? > Only on machines without keyboards. Is the X on-screen keyboard still a thing? -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing

Re: [DNG] Custom OS initiator. In need of some hints...

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:59:05AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > I think Edward's being sucked into a vortex of basics at lightning > speed, and within a couple weeks will know as much about the basics > necessary for Felker PID1 as you do (which would be twice what I know, > I found your

Re: [DNG] package request

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 08:37:29AM +0200, Irrwahn wrote: > On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 02:04:08 -0400 (EDT), Peter Olson wrote: > > On June 14, 2016 at 1:43 AM Irrwahn wrote: > >> On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 00:37:59 -0400 (EDT), Peter Olson wrote: > >>> > >>> This is why there is Iceweasel

Re: [DNG] secure boot

On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 05:49:11PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 12/06/2016 17:08, Simon Hobson a écrit : > >Hendrik Boom <hend...@topoi.pooq.com> wrote: > > > >>How *do* we deal with secure boot? I am terrified of buying a new > >>machine because I'm

[DNG] secure boot

On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 06:54:20AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > Hi, > > > ..another new(?) step towards Debian systemd: > linux-image-4.6.0-1[-rt]-amd-signed, with MSTF keys... : > https://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-4.6.0-1-rt-amd64-signed > https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot >

Re: [DNG] Devuan powered

On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 11:24:48AM -0400, aitor_czr wrote: > Hi Hellekin, > > I would like to use the following slogan for the beta of gnuinos: > > *DEVUAN POWERED* > > Did you use an existing typography for the logo of devuan or, on the > contrary, is there a need for designing all the letters

Re: [DNG] package request

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 04:57:06PM +0200, emnin...@riseup.net wrote: > Am Fri, 10 Jun 2016 14:36:05 + > schrieb dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org: > > > > Would it be possible to package palemoon for devuan? > > > > Are there a reasons for that? > > > > I use palemoon myself on Devuan. Just

Re: [DNG] How to acknowledge ported version of Open Source program?

On Wed, Jun 08, 2016 at 01:58:22PM +0300, Jack L. Frost wrote: > On Wed, Jun 08, 2016 at 02:22:29PM +0900, Simon Walter wrote: > > Since Chung's new version is written in Python, wouldn't it be considered a > > different piece of software? I don't think a re-write in another language of > >

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