Re: [DNG] Home server replacement hardware suggestions?

2018-07-10 Thread John Franklin
8-3850 has a 100W TDP, just about anything will be an improvement. Good luck! jf -- John Franklin frank...@tux.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] UEFI and Secure Boot

2017-10-23 Thread John Franklin
> On Oct 23, 2017, at 6:44 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > > Quoting John Franklin (frank...@tux.org): > > Technically, a rootkit is not a threat but rather a minor after-the-fact > sequel to a threat and succesful attack. It does not embody an attack, > itself. Rather, it'

Re: [DNG] UEFI and Secure Boot

2017-10-23 Thread John Franklin
> On Oct 23, 2017, at 6:13 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > > And by the way, I had a Win8 box that wouldn't accept Linux, but > luckily it was for one of my kids who wanted Windows. > Brand and model? Why wouldn’t it accept Linux? jf -- John Franklin frank...@tux.org

Re: [DNG] UEFI and Secure Boot

2017-10-23 Thread John Franklin
rong" one to > those who wish to lock down the computing world with DRM and > related nonsense. Since (as has been posted) you can sign your own kernels, the enthusiast can do the same thing corporate tech support can do: verify no one has updated his kernel on him with one he

Re: [DNG] UEFI and Secure Boot

2017-10-23 Thread John Franklin
nds like a class action law suit to me. Anyone want > to take it on? Can you identify any vendors where you can’t install Linux? If you can’t, this just a bunch of FUD. jf -- John Franklin frank...@tux.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___

Re: [DNG] systemd-udevd: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1

2017-10-21 Thread John Franklin
> On Oct 21, 2017, at 5:51 AM, Didier Kryn wrote: > > Le 21/10/2017 à 09:58, Arnt Gulbrandsen a écrit : >> John Franklin writes: >>> That’s not an apology. Would you like to try again? >> >> I'm not Steve, but the occasion fits: >> >> Tob

Re: [DNG] systemd-udevd: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1

2017-10-20 Thread John Franklin
r dreams. Lead, follow, or get the hell out > of the way. That’s not an apology. Would you like to try again? jf -- John Franklin frank...@tux.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org htt

Re: [DNG] systemd-udevd: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1

2017-10-18 Thread John Franklin
t;> by the the best of the best and therefore absolutely secure. > > Nik, that should be intuitively obvious to the most casual observer :-) > > Tobias Hunger, why don't you go support the project you DO like instead > of trolling the one you don't? This is grossly

Re: [DNG] systemd-udevd: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1

2017-10-18 Thread John Franklin
I pipeline. Occasionally, the flaw is a part of the standard, such as the recent issue with WPA2. No amount of signing will fix any of these issues, but signing makes auditing the whole system 1000x easier. jf -- John Franklin frank...@tux.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic

Re: [DNG] Devuan in top 50

2017-10-18 Thread John Franklin
tries their honest-best in terms of accuracy but given the > metrics which may be available to them, it's likely a difficult task. It’s better than not making the list at all. jf -- John Franklin frank...@tux.org smime.p7s Description: S/MI

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-18 Thread John Franklin
Redis is commonly used by content management systems as a backend cache. jf > On Oct 18, 2017, at 11:04 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Wed, 18 Oct 2017 15:46:39 +0200 > Bardot Jérôme wrote: > >> redis (4:4.0.2-3) unstable; urgency=medium >> >> This version drops the Debian-specific support f

Re: [DNG] systemd-udevd: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1

2017-10-16 Thread John Franklin
ullets Tobias has above are correct, although, technically, secureboot is built on top of uEFI, not as a part of it. jf -- John Franklin frank...@tux.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Allwinner Olimex OLinuXino MICRO (A20) Devuan Jessie no Ethernet

2017-10-12 Thread John Franklin
around. The spinning up and chittering was noticeable and annoying. Eventually, I swapped it out for an SSD. jf -- John Franklin frank...@tux.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org http

Re: [DNG] Strange interfaces vmnet1 and vmnet8 in network-manager

2017-10-08 Thread John Franklin
unless you’re running into an IP conflict or something, you’re best off leaving them alone. A KVM server I manage has the standard loopback and ethernet NIC interfaces, but seventeen other interfaces, vnet0 through vnet12 for the VMs, plus some bridge interfaces. These interfaces are normal. jf --

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free => Gnome-free? [Was: Re: Gnome?

2017-09-27 Thread John Franklin
> On Sep 21, 2017, at 12:44 AM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > > On 2017-09-20 22:36, John Franklin wrote: >>> On Sep 20, 2017, at 10:59 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: >>> From a search for 'network-manager' in the botbot logs. >>> https://botbot.me/freenode

Re: [DNG] Gnome?

2017-09-26 Thread John Franklin
e package configs and dependencies will tend towards the Unity configuration. jf -- John Franklin frank...@tux.org ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Problems with network-manager

2017-09-26 Thread John Franklin
imilar issue in Ascii and that fixed it. Note, the network-manager package in the Ascii repository won’t install (see http://bugs.devuan.org/db/13/133.html <http://bugs.devuan.org/db/13/133.html> for details), but rebuild it without a build-dep and a package dependency, and it’ll install ju

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

2017-09-23 Thread John Franklin
a good solution, and one I’ve used from time to time, myself. I wish it were the default out of the box on more systems. jf -- John Franklin frank...@tux.org ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free => Gnome-free? [Was: Re: Gnome?

2017-09-20 Thread John Franklin
gs of a site that they've never heard of to find out about something in the Jessie and Ascii repositories? jf -- John Franklin frank...@tux.org ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free => Gnome-free? [Was: Re: Gnome?

2017-09-20 Thread John Franklin
#x27;s already been done > Not in Ascii. http://bugs.devuan.org/db/13/133.html Just verified this is still the case. jf -- John Franklin frank...@tux.org ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Gnome?

2017-09-20 Thread John Franklin
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 2:07 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:31:38 -0400 > John Franklin wrote: > > >> That said, there are plenty who either like it or at least have >> gotten used to it. If we could get Gnome working here, it would &

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free => Gnome-free? [Was: Re: Gnome?

2017-09-20 Thread John Franklin
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 11:35 AM, Alessandro Selli > wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 at 11:19:51 -0400 > John Franklin wrote: > > >> Your premise that “Gnome depends on systemd” is false. The current >> *packages* may depend on systemd, but I’ll bet they can

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free => Gnome-free? [Was: Re: Gnome?

2017-09-20 Thread John Franklin
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 11:33 AM, J. Fahrner wrote: > > Am 2017-09-20 17:19, schrieb John Franklin: > >> Your premise that “Gnome depends on systemd” is false. The current >> *packages* may depend on systemd, but I’ll bet they can be patched and >> rebuilt wit

Re: [DNG] Gnome?

2017-09-20 Thread John Franklin
ing here, it would attract more users to Devuan. jf -- John Franklin frank...@tux.org ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free => Gnome-free? [Was: Re: Gnome?

2017-09-20 Thread John Franklin
ress the validity of the dichotomy? Your premise that “Gnome depends on systemd” is false. The current *packages* may depend on systemd, but I’ll bet they can be patched and rebuilt without systemd. Give it a try. Please build the gnome packages from scratch and report b

Re: [DNG] rolling release?

2017-09-16 Thread John Franklin
ething. So, you could consider either one a rolling release, more or less. Testing puts more emphasis on the “release” part, Ceres on the “rolling” part. jf -- John Franklin frank...@tux.org ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] I had an idea, for a devuan fork, and other stuff

2017-09-11 Thread John Franklin
> On Sep 11, 2017, at 12:45 PM, zap wrote: > I am throwing this out there as an idea just in case someone has > interest, otherwise I may somewhere down the road consider doing this > myself when I actually get enough tech skills for such a thing or > something... If you need technical skills,

Re: [DNG] I had an idea, for a devuan fork, and other stuff

2017-09-11 Thread John Franklin
> On Sep 11, 2017, at 12:45 PM, zap wrote: > > It would have only these things different: > > it would only be based off of unstable and experimental version, aka > pure rolling release, > > it would be completely free software and use linux libre as the kernel, > > otherwise it would follow

Re: [DNG] ascii-security Was:Re: Security updates in Devuan

2017-09-07 Thread John Franklin
it finally does. I hope amprolla3 is getting the priority attention it deserves. jf -- John Franklin frank...@tux.org ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

[DNG] Security updates in Devuan

2017-09-06 Thread John Franklin
he stable distribution (stretch), this problem has been fixed in > version 2.4.25-3+deb9u2. > > For the unstable distribution (sid), this problem has been fixed in > version 2.4.27-1. The latest apache2 in Ascii is 2.4.25-3+deb9u1. jf -- John Franklin frank...@tux.org _

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

2017-08-28 Thread John Franklin
f the SSD information seems to be a couple of years old. I > suppose the technology of the SSDs and the kernel's support has > stabilized enough that not much new needs to be written. Still, this is > new territory for me and I'd like to make a good choice and set it up &g

[DNG] Repo mirrors

2017-08-27 Thread John Franklin
The devuan.org site says "Mirroring Devuan packages is being documented…" How far along is the documentation? If we're close to a beta, could someone contact me off-list? jf -- John Franklin frank...@tux.org ___ Dng mailing list Dng

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

2017-08-27 Thread John Franklin
On Sun, 2017-08-27 at 17:18 -0500, d_pridge wrote: > Doesn't this affect the expected lifetime for an SSD? Not significantly. If this is a serious concern, we should consider disabling swap, hibernate, journaling, and syslog by default, too. jf -- John Franklin frank...

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

2017-08-27 Thread John Franklin
> > > I agree. I don't. Adding noatime by default will break some software that relies on atime, in particular mutt and popcon. Keeping relatime is sufficient. https://blog.valerieaurora.org/2009/03/27/relatime-recap/ jf -- John Franklin frank...@tux.org ___

Re: [DNG] What does Linus do?

2017-08-23 Thread John Franklin
rk, I expect the same rules to apply. The release engineering site release.devuan.org is in DNS, but points to the main devuan.org site. Clearly, there is some CI infrastructure that is missing, and until it is put in place, Devuan’s technical debt will continue to increase. jf [1] From htt

Re: [DNG] Updating PCI ID lists in installer (Was: suggestion)

2017-08-17 Thread John Franklin
> On Aug 17, 2017, at 11:16 AM, Simon Hobson wrote: > > John Franklin wrote: > >> Adding a network dependency on a package install is generally a bad idea. >> What happens if the machine doesn’t have external network access, as is >> often the case for cor

Re: [DNG] suggestion

2017-08-17 Thread John Franklin
lently continue? It would be better for the lspci program to emit a warning “PCI ID list is out of date, please run update_pciids to update.” Adding a cron job to the lspci package is also an option. jf -- John Franklin frank...@tux.org ___ Dng m

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

2017-08-16 Thread John Franklin
ceeds, but can’t install. One of the generated pacakges requires network-manager, which depends on libpam-systemd, which depends on systemd. I’ve already filed a bug about the dependency in network-manager. Fixing that would be a big step towards

Re: [DNG] donating a host

2017-08-12 Thread John Franklin
I may have an old (non-Ultra) SPARC machine in storage somewhere, or possible an even older 68000-based SUN system. If a PPC-based Macintosh would be useful, I have some old boxes. Most of these machines are in the Raleigh, NC area, some are in the Washington, DC area. I’m happy to donate any