Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

2021-11-12 Thread John Morris via Dng
On Tue, 2021-11-09 at 01:56 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > The logic is still the same. I need a guaranteed place on the root > partition to find the programs necessary to mount all the other > partitions, or else I'll need to run an initramfs. Been following this debate. Admit that a few years ag

Re: [DNG] FSF, RMS and a danger to almost all GPL code

2021-03-30 Thread John Morris
On Sat, 2021-03-27 at 08:30 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > And now you're suggesting Devuan put that all at risk to take a stand > on RMS. Well you know what? No distro should get involved with > politics, and this RMS thing *is* politics. It cost Mint plenty of > users when they said supporters of Isr

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

2021-03-26 Thread John Morris
On Fri, 2021-03-26 at 15:46 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > I'd suggest nobody sign anything, and nobody respond to this email. > > If you believe that Stallman was removed, shunned and criticized > because of guilt by association, then it's not much of a stretch to > believe that you will suffer th

Re: [DNG] history

2020-08-07 Thread John Morris
On Fri, 2020-08-07 at 22:21 +0200, d...@d404.nl wrote: > > It is indeed off topic so i will keep it short: show me a philosophy > of > life or religion which has not been abused by a power hungry > totalitarian dictator or political system. Been at it for a Century now, find ONE attempt you would

Re: [DNG] history

2020-08-07 Thread John Morris
On Fri, 2020-08-07 at 09:53 +0300, Dimitris via Dng wrote: > On 8/7/20 12:36 AM, marc wrote: > > People being easily identified and > > tracked in real life is something that strengthens authoritarian > > regimes > > (whether fascist or communist) as well coercive corporate > > interests. > > th

Re: [DNG] Deleted qemu image

2020-07-16 Thread John Morris
On Thu, 2020-07-16 at 11:35 +0100, fraser kendall wrote: > I have just done the stupidest thing. I was freeing up (rm -rf) space > on what I thought was a storage directory (/srv), but I have now just > discovered that it contained a critical qemu image. The image is a W7 > VM and is still runnin

Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN?

2020-04-09 Thread John Morris
On Wed, 2020-04-08 at 14:07 -0700, spiralofhope wrote: > As an aside, gab.com has been working on its own alternative, but they > haven't released any details (or source code) and I wouldn't be > surprised if it became a paid service for significant use. They have already said it will be a paid se

Re: [DNG] Solving simple problems in amazingly complicated ways

2020-03-12 Thread John Morris
On Thu, 2020-03-12 at 21:45 +, Rainer Weikusat via Dng wrote: > - the sole purpose of this text is for the amusement of people who > ever >   had to find a (preferably simple) solution for a complicated problem > - > > Problem I had to deal with since yesterday: Some Debian 10 system (use > of

Re: [DNG] What can even possibly go wrong?

2020-03-12 Thread John Morris
On Thu, 2020-03-12 at 20:21 +, Simon Hobson wrote: > Dan Purgert wrote: > > > It's certainly useful in a "campus" environment, where you're quite > > likely at a different computer all the time (i.e. grabbing whatever > > is > > free in the computer lab to print your final paper). > > Isn't

Re: [DNG] What can even possibly go wrong?

2020-03-12 Thread John Morris
On Thu, 2020-03-12 at 11:14 +, Rowland penny via Dng wrote: > > Here we go again, reinventing the wheel ;-) > > Windows has something similar, they call it roaming profiles and that  > has its problems. It isn't exactly reinventing the wheel, it is more like porting the wheel. The fact Wind

Re: [DNG] Insane defaults on Raspberry Pi images - How to fix corruption/dataloss

2019-11-15 Thread John Morris
On Thu, 2019-11-14 at 22:03 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > The piece of information I couldn't find in your (John Morris') data > is > how much of the 160GiB is consumed with data. It makes a big > difference. They have had most of their space written to at this point. The s

Re: [DNG] Insane defaults on Raspberry Pi images - How to fix corruption/dataloss

2019-11-14 Thread John Morris
On Wed, 2019-11-13 at 04:06 -0800, Bruce Ferrell wrote: > Well, I was thinking more along the lines of the "early" failure rate > for SSD and not so much the convenience of a thing as small as my baby > finger nail with insane amounts of  > storage.  I have active and still in use rotational media

Re: [DNG] semantic of sizeof operator in C (was: simple-netaid from scratch)

2019-06-12 Thread John Morris
On Wed, 2019-06-12 at 08:40 -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > More precisely, sizeof(foo) is the spacing of consecutive elements of > type foo. Most importantly for most people, malloc(sizeof(foo)*n) must not cause unexpected things like a kaboom. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally sign

Re: [DNG] MATE 1.22

2019-04-17 Thread John Morris
On Mon, 2019-04-15 at 22:37 +, Antonio Volpicelli via Dng wrote: > Hi devuaners, > > the version of MATE desktop 1.22 is available on hezeh (remember is > experimental) > Not having any luck. I finally bit the bullet and went up from Jessie to ASCII. On Jessie I rebuilt the three packages

Re: [DNG] Fwd: April's fools mess

2019-04-02 Thread John Morris
On Tue, 2019-04-02 at 09:21 +0200, marc...@welz.org.za wrote: > Weirdly enough I trust devuan a bit more after this incident: Yup, same here. A good prank on Apr 1 is perfectly in keeping with the finest UNIX traditions. It is the humorless scolds who should be suspected. Seeing the poo flingi

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

2018-03-28 Thread John Morris
On Wed, 2018-03-28 at 02:42 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > More interesting is the timing between this addition and the DNC hack, where > the files are known to have been saved to an USB pen drive. This would > explain the weird inclusion of refer[r]er, which has no obvious legitimate > use but wo

Re: [DNG] Is the removal of powermgmt-base from apts' suggested packages a problem for us?

2018-02-28 Thread John Morris
On Wed, 2018-02-28 at 00:03 -0500, taii...@gmx.com wrote: The first part of your post is correct. But in the interest of avoiding misinformation I gotta correct the record on this paragraph. > SystemD systems take minutes to boot even without the bogus "start/stop > job running for *thing*" whe

Re: [DNG] UEFI and Secure Boot

2017-10-25 Thread John Morris
On Mon, 2017-10-23 at 17:06 +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > I've read previously on this list that secureboot doesn't prevent > booting from a usb key... Or did I misunderstood? Correct, so long as the boot loader on the USB key is signed by a key the system trusts. And you didn't disable boot

Re: [DNG] UEFI and Secure Boot

2017-10-25 Thread John Morris
On Tue, 2017-10-24 at 09:01 +0200, marc wrote: > Secureboot is designed for them, not for you. You might come > up with a really exotic use case, where it might help you. But > if you look at it carefully enough, it relies on secureboot > redefining root to something weaker than what we want, and

Re: [DNG] systemd-udevd: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1

2017-10-10 Thread John Morris
On Tue, 2017-10-10 at 01:49 +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote: > By the manual, the correct solution in configuring Grub as to pass the > kernel these parameters: > > biosdevname=0 net.ifnames=0 Those fix similar problems but not exactly the same ones. The udev persistent rules get you when you m

Re: [DNG] systemd-udevd: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1

2017-10-09 Thread John Morris
On Sat, 2017-10-07 at 10:06 -0300, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 13:51:02 +0100 > Simon Hobson wrote: > > > The topic was discussed to death not long ago and the consensus seemed to > > be that "there is no solution that works for everyone" ! As Jochen says, > > for "simple"

Re: [DNG] Gnome?

2017-09-26 Thread John Morris
On Tue, 2017-09-26 at 03:42 -0400, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > Why not use the gnome 2 fork MATE? Why not? It mostly works out of the box, I'm using it now. If you install it onto a laptop you won't have working power management because of dependencies on systemd. Google can give you the details b

Re: [DNG] librezilla: [WAS: Has anyone tried waterfox?]

2017-09-22 Thread John Morris
On Thu, 2017-09-21 at 18:12 +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Excuse me for interrupting this conversation, but, what is the point > of making sure a browser is secure knowing there is a complete HIDDEN > OS running all the time? I have no idea what it does and what > functions it offers to the outsi

Re: [DNG] New Devuan-based distro

2017-08-03 Thread John Morris
On Thu, 2017-08-03 at 03:31 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 10:36:50 -0300 > > > > EterTICs GNU/Linux is a GNU/Linux distribution aimed for community > > radios of Latinamerica. His goal is to be 100% libre and it has all > > the software needed to setup a "libre" radio including Rad

[DNG] MikeeUSA

2017-08-02 Thread John Morris
At the risk of lowering the signal to noise on this list even more, I'd like to note that about seven minutes before this new nym posted here it posted the same text to the Fedora users list. There was exactly one reply. I won't spoil it, go look it up because it worked. signature.asc Descripti

Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

2017-07-21 Thread John Morris
On Fri, 2017-07-21 at 16:25 -0500, Don Wright wrote: > Dragan FOSS wrote: > >I think it's best to drop 32-bit support at all... it's such a waste of > >time and resources. > > > As long as you're pruning, kill x64 as well, because the majority of > computers sold are using ARM architecture and r

Re: [DNG] some ASCII issues

2017-06-27 Thread John Morris
On Sat, 2017-06-24 at 11:08 +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Anyway I think there's a simple method to live without the > initramfs. Everything which is done from initramfs could be done the > same way from a disk partition, which might make it easier to debug: > have a /os directory containing

Re: [DNG] some ASCII issues

2017-06-27 Thread John Morris
On Sat, 2017-06-24 at 11:04 -0500, Don Wright wrote: > Just teleport into the datacenter on the other side of the planet, or the > office building where your after-hours key card doesn't work because all > cards were cancelled following the alleged burglary last week*, or do some > other Herculean

Re: [DNG] some ASCII issues

2017-06-23 Thread John Morris
On Fri, 2017-06-23 at 16:41 +0200, Antony Stone wrote: > https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TheCaseForTheUsrMerge/ if > you want to start feeling annoyed as well as surprised. Dunno, that one actually makes a lot of sense. Applying the logic of Chesterton's Fence here seems sound

Re: [DNG] default signing Re: [ann] heads 0.0 is out!

2017-03-03 Thread John Morris
On Fri, 2017-03-03 at 10:09 -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > What default cryptographic identity would it use? > > -- hendrik My notion is an email client should look for a keyring and if it can't find one it should default to creating a basic key and publishing it to one or more keyservers. Imagin

Re: [DNG] Studying C as told. (For help)

2016-06-24 Thread John Morris
On Fri, 2016-06-24 at 15:11 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > Stuff like this is the reason I soon abandoned K&R as a learning > tool, > and used it only to determine the official behavior of C. > > Bit stuffing, sliding and masking were a tool of the assembly > programmer > back when your RAM could be c

Re: [DNG] How to acknowledge ported version of Open Source program?

2016-06-08 Thread John Morris
On Tue, 2016-06-07 at 14:35 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..11 years with Groklaw.net has thaught me to be a little harsher; > you cannot "port" a program written under one license (MIT), under > another license, unless that first license has language that allows > such "relicensing" under other

Re: [DNG] Pi hole

2016-05-24 Thread John Morris
On Sat, 2016-05-21 at 16:43 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > Yay curl|bash. I'd say recommending such a command as their > installation > method means their view on security is so bad that no one should > touch them > with a $LENGTH pole. At least as safe as a package, both are taking executable co

Re: [DNG] Supervision scripts (was Re: OpenRC and Devuan)

2016-05-05 Thread John Morris
On Wed, 2016-05-04 at 21:41 +0100, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > Malloc() is very simple: You ask for memory and get it. The negative > side > of that simplicity is that if you're out of memory (and that happens > occasionally if a server is run close to capacity) then processes die > and/or become

Re: [DNG] Never say that again: was Debian is endorsed by Microsoft

2016-02-01 Thread John Morris
On Sat, 2016-01-30 at 17:03 +, Nuno Magalhães wrote: > +1 > seems like kindergarten in here Think this is the best response yet in this overlong thread. Somebody said something kinda childish and offtopic and a polite corrective nudge to be a bit more adult was called for and should have end

Re: [DNG] I never realised udev was that bad until now

2015-11-25 Thread John Morris
On Wed, 2015-11-25 at 19:22 +, Dave Turner wrote: > Now I am trying my hand at Android development I find udev to be truly > vile. What idiot decided that you have to list your device in the > /etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules file before you can connect to it? > The file is already 13.7kB

Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims

2015-08-20 Thread John Morris
On Thu, 2015-08-20 at 07:10 +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > As it is, the frontend can connect on user request. The user can run > the frontend application, click connect and terminate the application > and the connection will continue to be functional. This is real KISS > in practice but I can also

Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims

2015-08-19 Thread John Morris
On Mon, 2015-08-17 at 06:48 +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > The backends can be integrated into one single executable not to > clutter the sudoers file and to increase system efficiency. One suggestion here. Forget sudo and just make the backend suid root like other system utilities of this type.

Re: [Dng] straw poll, non-free firmware for installers

2015-06-03 Thread John Morris
On Thu, 2015-06-04 at 02:52 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Wed, Jun 03, 2015 at 06:18:37PM -0500, John Morris wrote: > > Non-free software: NO, Firmware: YES. So ixnay on things like the Nvidia > > drivers but yes on blobs. The reasoning on where to draw the line is >

Re: [Dng] straw poll, non-free firmware for installers

2015-06-03 Thread John Morris
On Wed, 2015-06-03 at 12:45 +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Wed, Jun 03, 2015 at 08:37:22PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote: > > > > I'd like a straw poll on whether we should include non-free firmware > > in our installers by default. > > > My two cents on this point: I would really prefer *not* having an

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status updates

2015-04-30 Thread John Morris
On Thu, 2015-04-30 at 15:58 +0200, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > Poettering clearly understood the implications and outright rejected the > rationale, by claiming nowadays it wasn't modern anymore to have a small root- > fs and a separate partition for /usr He is correct on this point. One should

Re: [Dng] Two more reasons for Devuan

2015-04-22 Thread John Morris
On Tue, 2015-04-21 at 12:06 +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Hi! > > Here are two more reasons for Devuan: I'd just say more signs that systemd was pushed into production way early and not new objections to the (widely held to be defective in the opinion here) design principles themselves. The

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-30 Thread John Morris
On Sat, 2015-03-28 at 10:49 -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > The very strict FSF interpretation is a useful extreme -- much like > the North Pole is for the idea of north, and absolute zero is for the > idea of cold. Now north is useful n our compasses, and cold is great > for beer (free or not),

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-30 Thread John Morris
On Sat, 2015-03-28 at 12:33 +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > BTW, I, like many others, find convenient to use e.g. Skype, and I > would prefer to run it inside a container. > >Over there, Linux installers are > > Shareware. All of them. I'm not a priest of St. Ignucius but the idea > > of th

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-27 Thread John Morris
On Fri, 2015-03-27 at 16:37 +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > Hi John, > > When I wrote anti-freedom, I considered a stricter definition of > freedom than GPL, beyond free access to the source and gratuitous > redistribution, including e.g. the absence of technical lock-in. I won't > argue

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-26 Thread John Morris
On Sat, 2015-03-21 at 17:04 +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > However, the long term policy of Devuan can't be "We hate systemd > and Lennart Poetering". Instead Devuan should advertize the reasons to > reject software like systemd, in the form of a set of rules for > acceptability, in a sensib

Re: [Dng] [OT] Debian problems with Jesse - was simple backgrounds

2015-03-05 Thread John Morris
On Wed, 2015-03-04 at 02:02 -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote: > Yes. I can't speak for others, but I can implement far more cleanly > designed and reliable solutions using C than other choices. I can > certainly write "less code" using Python or Perl, but I can do exactly > the same thing with C by

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-04 Thread John Morris
On Wed, 2015-03-04 at 21:09 -0500, Jude Nelson wrote: > > Besides issues related to Chromium's poor support for privacy features, > > it also has no real security support. > > No comment on the privacy features, but I beg to differ on the security. > The fact that the Linux build of Chromium runs

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-04 Thread John Morris
On Wed, 2015-03-04 at 14:25 -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 07:45:22PM +0100, Anto wrote: > > Hello Everybody, > > > > I guess it is very likely that the first release of Devuan will use > > the re-branded Mozilla products. > > > Debian *could* have used the firefox binary di

Re: [Dng] Kicking the tires on Valentine release

2015-02-25 Thread John Morris
On Thu, 2015-02-26 at 00:08 -0300, hellekin wrote: > I'm impressed by all the testing you did. You may want to open some > issues in the gitlab. That would make a good test suite for the next ISO. Probably need to go get a Debian jessie cd and see how many of these problems exist there too. Do

[Dng] Kicking the tires on Valentine release

2015-02-25 Thread John Morris
Finally got around to seriously poking around with the Valintines Alpha release. Very alpha. Tried a default and an expert mode install, neither prompts for a root password and even if the option to create a user account is picked no prompts to actually do it appear. So I just did the basic inst

Re: [Dng] OT: Linux kernel and the force behind it

2015-02-20 Thread John Morris
On Fri, 2015-02-20 at 14:32 -0500, Gravis wrote: > > RPC had already been solved in a general way by SunRPC (ONCRPC) before > either GNOME or KDE existed > > interesting I'd never read about those until now. however, there was no > GPL (compatible?) version for Linux (still isn't?) and the intern

Re: [Dng] image upload

2014-12-23 Thread John Morris
On Sun, 2014-12-21 at 19:58 +0200, Vlad wrote: > Isn't the Debian swirl logo GPL as well, I do not think t will be a problem > for Devuan to use it? There is no copyright problem with the image so the GPL isn't a problem, it is a trademark issue. Please read the trademark guidelines at debian.org

Re: [Dng] TPM

2014-12-23 Thread John Morris
On Mon, 2014-12-22 at 17:23 -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote: > What can it do in the right? Nothing that can't be done without the TPM > chip. One of the first things that you learn in computer engineering is > that anything problem can be solved on software or hardware. The only > difference is a