Re: [DNG] Nasty Linux systemd security bug revealed

all that.) We could learn from the way the aerospace industry responds to plane crashes, though.  And, maybe, trash "agile" and go back to design processes that got us to the Moon (you know, serious, step-by-step, design, document, review, test). Miles Fidelman -- In theory,

Re: [DNG] Identifying an installed physical hard drive without damage

lights flash a lot (if the drive has a light). Miles Fidelman ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] calendars, contacts, to do lists

On 5/23/19 7:52 PM, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Hendrik Boom (hend...@topoi.pooq.com): Radicale does look good. The one thing I haven't found is sync with Google calendar. It's mentioned over and over that Google doesn't talk CalDAV. Talk about "not doing evil." They USED to talk CalDAV. 

Re: [DNG] Report from the first Devuan conference

Nice! Any chance of postings presentation slides as well as videos? Miles Fidelman On 4/11/19 2:16 PM, Jaromil wrote: dear dng'ers all those of you who weren't there: you were missed! this is a first report about our first conference https://www.dyne.org/the-first-devuan-conference along

Re: [DNG] Admins can you fix/set the header overrides?

On 12/27/18 11:07 AM, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Miles Fidelman (mfidel...@meetinghouse.net): Speaking as someone who hosts a couple of dozen email lists, I really don't understand what the fuss is about here. The fuss involved people having paid no attention to the announcement of Dng's DMARC

Re: [DNG] mailing list software

There's also Sieve.  Not a drop-in replacement to procmail, but pretty powerful. On 12/12/18 5:08 PM, Joel Roth via Dng wrote: Jim Jackson wrote: Just an aside - what are the alternatives to procmail? so far I've only found _maildrop_ as an in-line delivery filter. I filter my incoming mail

Re: [DNG] A shift in systemd development

It's a joke, son. On 10/29/18 6:02 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: OK.  Having no idea what an S/390 system is (except for a scan of the wikipedia page),  I'm hoping that someone can 'splain how this will affect community based Linux and everyone who jumped on the systemd bandwagon:

Re: [DNG] Technical overview of init systems

l technical overview, including a definition of terms. 2. A comparison chart listing all of the various supervisors available. As it is, it's just a waste of time. Miles Fidelman On 8/8/17 9:02 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: I had a look at the text and was not impressed at all. My criticism is

Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"

On 7/11/17 7:55 AM, Simon Hobson wrote: "Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" wrote: We don't need to fight anything. Just concentrate on the stuff *we* need (seriously, does anybobdy here need gnome3 ?) and patch out the crap when neccessary. And just not caring about

Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"

On 7/10/17 4:37 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: On 2017-07-10 15:25, Miles Fidelman wrote: We are the community. We need to act for ourselves. So far, that's not working all that well. Miles Fidelman Miles, I just have to ask If you think think it's not working too well who is to blame

Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"

On 7/10/17 4:17 PM, KatolaZ wrote: On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 04:07:48PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: [cut] Systemd may be free, but it's approach to agglomerating function after function, and becoming a requirement for more and more other software - is an affront to software freedom

Re: [DNG] Which is Free, Which is Open Source, is there any difference?

On 4/25/17 9:03 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 08:27:16PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: Free Software means just that: You don't have to pay anything to use it. There's all kinds of stuff out there where object code is free to download and use, but source is not available

Re: [DNG] Which is Free, Which is Open Source, is there any difference?

-compliant means that the terms of a license meet a specific set of criteria set by the Debian Project - which later became the basis for certification by the Open Source Initiative. It happens that they pretty much define FOSS (Free AND Open Source). Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no di

[DNG] anybody going to libreplanet?

Hi Folks, I didn't see any reaction to this - which makes me wonder.. is anybody here going to libreplanet? For that matter, is anybody in the Greater Boston area? forwarded message Author: Miles Fidelman Date: 2017-03-15 21:49 -700 To: dng Subject: Re: [DNG] We need

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

in AZ for an extended period, helping my 96-year-old Dad settle into a new house - not sure if I'll be back in time. Hopefully someone from the Devuan team will be there, and can organize something. Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In pr

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

ense of the world. Anybody have a better sense of where things are going. Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org h

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

On 3/14/17 9:05 PM, Dan Purgert wrote: On 03/15/2017 12:00 AM, メット wrote: On 2017年3月15日 12:40:48 JST, Don Wright wrote: Steve Litt wrote: Can somebody please make a list, that we can put our names on, of people who left Debian because of systemd? And put the name

Re: [DNG] Why does systemd do such stupid things

of systemd. Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Politics of IT in the U.S. government

Yup - COBOL is a really good niche market for programmers. On 8/3/16 3:50 PM, Simon Hobson wrote: Steve Litt wrote: At first I almost vomited when reading this sentence: The Social Security Administration, for

[DNG] meta-comment re. build systems

is something we need to be concerned about for Devuan; but that also seems of concern to the broader Linux (and Unix?) ecosystem. Comments, thoughts? Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra ___

Re: [DNG] meta-comment re. build systems

Follow-on question at the bottom On 12/31/15 3:10 PM, Steve Litt wrote: I guess I'm an "upstream", being the originator of the VimOutliner project (probably a few thousand users), the UMENU project (probably about 10 users), the Amounter project (2 confirmed users), and several less-used

Re: [DNG] Ummmm, no

On 12/31/15 2:05 PM, Simon Hobson wrote: Mitt Green wrote: I reckon as long as his Fedora boots, he doesn't care. I think that's the key reason. Linus is concerned with the kernel - and while I suspect he has personal preferences about what is run on top of that,

Re: [DNG] Detailed technical treatise of systemd

er already be booted on the failover system. Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Detailed technical treatise of systemd

s on three continents, providing a user-facing service, using something like zk or etcd to coordinate the servers. Not for nothing, but if you're coordinating distributed servers, your system design is WAY too closely coupled if boot time effects anything. Miles Fidelman --

Re: [DNG] Detailed technical treatise of systemd

On 11/7/15 12:47 PM, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: Miles Fidelman writes: Not for nothing, but if you're coordinating distributed servers, your system design is WAY too closely coupled if boot time effects anything. Boot time is just a kind of downtime. If downtime lasts too long, the health

Re: [DNG] mailing list software

or greater degree automatically displaying message threads and/or putting list mail into folders If you're not happy with the gmail web interface, I'd suggest playing with different clients that can support "IMAP" access to your mailbox Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no diffe

Re: [DNG] Init scripts in packages

But now we're back into having to have a completely separate package repository, along with a full set of package maintainers. Sigh. T.J. Duchene wrote: You could always lift scripts from Wheezy and use them as a template. On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 2:28 AM, Miles Fidelman mfidel

Re: [DNG] Init scripts in packages

Jaromil wrote: On 8 August 2015 09:28:42 CEST, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: If, instead, they start removing the sysv scripts, and including homebrew systemd units - then we're in for a mess of rework. both me, Franco and other VUAs are literally aiming to a fork, either

Re: [DNG] Init scripts in packages

used to swallow all these years. on the mid - long term it won't be just systemd to make the difference between Devuan and Debian. On Sat, 08 Aug 2015, Miles Fidelman wrote: But now we get into the question of can Devuan really attract a full set of package maintainers? snip IF what we do

Re: [DNG] Mission Creap

installs systemd by default, but it's easy to remove without breaking anything, and after installing pm-utils XFCE works perfectly on my computer! Wait, what I thought a primary motivation for Devuan was to NOT install systemd by default. Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference

Re: [DNG] Mission Creap

Nextime wrote: On August 8, 2015 4:12:23 PM CEST, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Riccardo Boninsegna wrote: On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Dave Turner dave_t_tur...@barradas.free-online.co.uk wrote: various XFCE irritations for normal people made me do a full debian

Re: [DNG] Init scripts in packages

Rainer Weikusat wrote: Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net writes: Alexey Rochev wrote *Date: *2015-08-05 07:29 -400 *To: *dng *Subject: *[DNG] Init scripts in packages Currently Debian packages contains both systemd units and init scripts. However, Debian developers refused to support

Re: [DNG] Init scripts in packages

Rainer Weikusat wrote: Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net writes: Rainer Weikusat wrote: Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net writes: Alexey Rochev wrote *Date: *2015-08-05 07:29 -400 *To: *dng *Subject: *[DNG] Init scripts in packages Currently Debian packages contains both

Re: [DNG] OT: some ancient programming language history

is the government. Actually, not true. ADA seems to have a major following in the real-time control systems community, for mission/life-critical systems like avionics and SCADA. Not surprising, actually - it was designed for that kind of thing. Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference

Re: [Dng] why someone might want systemd on devuan

or a virtual machine w/ systemd Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo

Re: [Dng] Which package generates /lib/systemd and /etc/systemd files?

KatolaZ wrote: On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 03:53:55PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: [cut] Unfortunately, systemd has been *designed* to be unpluggable, and to munch as much as possible of the low-level userspace. We should live with it, especially because the typical answer you get about systemd

Re: [Dng] devuan security wishlist item

Too few people know that this even exists in Linux. Too true. I have the magic list written on sticky, underneath my keyboard - for those eventualities where things go really South on one of our servers. Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice

Re: [Dng] What's new in Systemd

Clarke Sideroad wrote: On 02/02/15 08:06, Aldemir Akpinar wrote: I was going to have a rude reply here until I read this at the bottom: a new secure boot implementation: this is a work-in-progress, to have more validation of the boot process that it hasn't been tampered with. It will

Re: [Dng] What's new in Systemd

Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: On Mon, 2 Feb 2015 10:56:22 -0400 Ricardo Larrañaga ricardo.larran...@gmail.com wrote: Take a look at the third page and see what Lennart compares systemd to Since the beginning of this systemd thing, it has been my instinctive feeling that We are systemd of Borg,