Re: [DNG] Configuration of boot drives

2020-06-29 Thread dal
> From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of Hendrik Boom > Sent: den 29 juni 2020 14:18 > What I want to know is: >What determines which disks' MBRs get written to during a >normal kernel upgrade initiated by aptitude. A normal kernel upgrade does not, nor needs to

Re: [DNG] supported ways to control user access to audio/video devices

2020-05-26 Thread dal
you face a challenge (a systemd issue from 2016 about the lack of documentation for uaccess vs ID_* is still open). /D -Original Message- From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of dal Sent: den 25 maj 2020 15:32 To: 'dng@lists.dyne.org' Subject: [DNG] supported ways to control

Re: [DNG] supported ways to control user access to audio/video devices

2020-05-26 Thread dal
> From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of terryc > Sent: den 26 maj 2020 03:23 > My understanding is that it is a inherent limitation of *nix. Fortunately, for the purposes of installations here, we see some acceptable solutions, my hope was though that Devuan already

[DNG] supported ways to control user access to audio/video devices

2020-05-25 Thread dal
Dear list, A round of searching and reading did not give me any usable explanation of Subj on Devuan. More specifically, static assignment of users to the "audio"/"video" groups is not applicable (on shared, remotely accessible computers). It looks like ConsoleKit used to be the answer in

Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-21 Thread dal
Rick, would you please cease using negatively charged buzzwords, like "conspiracy theories" while your counterpart is talking about existing legitimate (good or bad but legitimate) business interests and motivations which are _not_ hidden at all. Also, in my humble opinion, the following is a

Re: [DNG] without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-19 Thread dal
> I am. I eschew Occam's Razor in favor of Litt's Razor, which can be > paraphrased "Follow the money." > > As one piece of evidence I present the words of a Redhat exec long > before systemd existed: > > http://asay.blogspot.com/2006/10/interview-with-red-hat-cto-brian.html > > Search the word

Re: [DNG] Felker Init: was without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-17 Thread dal
Hello Steve, > This enraged me: > The fact that a Troubleshooting Trainer could make an init in a couple > weeks, yet the Redhat/Freedesktop/Poettering axis was telling us what a > complex thing an init was. They have in mind their own, different from yours and mine, idea of how the computers

Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN?

2020-05-08 Thread dal
Hello Riccardo, > From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of Riccardo Mottola > via Dng > I installed SkypeForLinux and it works very well - maybe it is not the > best answer, it is not "open" but at least not browser based! ah! SO in I wonder, did you give for example [q]Tox

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-19 Thread dal
-Original Message- From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of Gregory Nowak Sent: den 19 april 2020 05:22 [skipped] For those who don't need brltty and who find the log messages a problem, uninstalling brltty should resolve the issue. -- The option to uninstall

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-18 Thread dal
-Original Message- From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng Sent: den 18 april 2020 13:47 If the OP has task-console-productivity installed it might be a Devuan specific issue. The brltty package is recommended there and there is no such task in

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-18 Thread dal
-Original Message- From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of Antony Stone Sent: den 18 april 2020 13:25 It's definitely not Devuan-specific; I don't know whether it is Debian-specific, or generic to any distro which includes brltty. I've only ever used it on Debian.

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-18 Thread dal
-Original Message- From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of Antony Stone Sent: den 18 april 2020 12:05 On Saturday 18 April 2020 at 12:00:18, dal wrote: > Is it only me who gets in /var/log/daemon.log loads of > > brltty[...]: file system mount error: usbfs[brl

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-18 Thread dal
Is it only me who gets in /var/log/daemon.log loads of brltty[...]: file system mount error: usbfs[brltty-usbfs] -> /var/run/brltty/usbfs: No such device ? /D ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-13 Thread dal
Installing Beowulf today, I get firefox-esr_68.6.1esr-1~deb10u1_amd64.deb despite that Debian said 8 Apr 2020 that the upgrade to 68.7.0esr-1~deb10u1 Is necessary because of CVE-2020-6821 CVE-2020-6822 CVE-2020-6825 This does not look right? /D ___

Re: [DNG] less ;-)

2020-04-12 Thread dal
Thanks for checking Mike. Retried and now it worked here as well. Sorry for the noise. Hard to tell what was wrong. /D -Original Message- From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of dal Sent: den 12 april 2020 21:01 To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [DNG] less

Re: [DNG] less ;-)

2020-04-12 Thread dal
-Original Message- From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of Mike Schmitz via Dng Sent: den 11 april 2020 19:21 > > then the set of available packages seems to be quite short, lacking things > > like "less". looks ok from here: $ egrep "^deb " /etc/apt/sources.list &&

[DNG] more issues (RE: Beowulf Beta is here!)

2020-04-11 Thread dal
-Original Message- Sent: den 9 april 2020 16:14 Hello and thanks for Beowulf. An issue: it looks like devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_beta_amd64_netinstall.iso and the base system installable from it do not contain the ifupdown package (nor other networking utilities besides busybox ip?).

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-09 Thread dal
Hello and thanks for Beowulf. An issue: it looks like devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_beta_amd64_netinstall.iso and the base system installable from it do not contain the ifupdown package (nor other networking utilities besides busybox ip?). The resulting base installation remains offline. This is

Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN?

2020-04-07 Thread dal
> From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of g4sra via Dng > Sent: den 7 april 2020 14:31 > zoom is not an evil company, unlike Google they do not set out to take your > data, they are just a bit security naive. How can you know/control what they will do with your data? Google

Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN?

2020-04-07 Thread dal
> is there a way of holding a video- or an audioconference with Firefox (or > Vivaldi) on Devuan?  The ones I have come in contact with. such als > https://global.gotomeeting.com/,  work only with Windows or Mac and Chrome. If you have got Devuan, you do not have to resort to browsers for

Re: [DNG] Installer deficiency (was: netbooting Dev1)

2020-01-09 Thread dal
> I can easily prepare such files from the so called "netboot" CD, but then I meant of course "netinst" CD. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Installer deficiency (was: netbooting Dev1)

2020-01-09 Thread dal
> Do you want: > a, files for pxe style booting and installing > b, a minimal cd (or usb stick) which is booted locally, and take > the rest of the installation from the net > c, something that helps you install on a large number of computers > > Regards, > /Karl Hammar "a" I can easily

[DNG] Installer deficiency (was: netbooting Dev1)

2020-01-09 Thread dal
dal: > > This is about which media and how >> can be used to netboot Devuan at the installation time. I meant the boot media as vmlinuz + initramfs or an ISO or something bootable, i.e. the contents of that media. Devuan does not provide such installation media / data. It seems

Re: [DNG] netbooting Dev1

2020-01-09 Thread dal
Hello Karl, > From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of k...@aspodata.se > > > One is to make a very minimal, stable (reproducible in the sense > > of the same versions of the same package set) OS installation. > > Two is to install from the network with netboot (pxe/efi). > I

[DNG] netbooting Dev1

2020-01-08 Thread dal
Dear all, I am facing a two-faceted challenge: One is to make a very minimal, stable (reproducible in the sense of the same versions of the same package set) OS installation. Two is to install from the network with netboot (pxe/efi). Debian has no installer which out-of-the-box could access