Re: [DNG] Lennart now working for Microsoft

2022-07-17 Thread Syeed Ali
On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 09:46:47 +0200 Antonio Rendina via Dng wrote: > Having control on some open/free source software piece helps you to > drive the project in the direction that you find more convenient or > to kill the project the moment that you don't need it anymore. I've noticed this, and I

Re: [DNG] Lennart now working for Microsoft

2022-07-17 Thread Syeed Ali
On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 16:52:12 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > Syeed Ali said on Wed, 13 Jul 2022 13:31:37 -0700 > > >Microsoft has a great interest in embracing Linux via WSL with the > >intent to obsolete the need to dual boot. With many critical > >distributions and software requiring systemd, it on

Re: [DNG] Lennart now working for Microsoft

2022-07-15 Thread Steve Litt
Syeed Ali said on Wed, 13 Jul 2022 13:31:37 -0700 >Microsoft has a great interest in embracing Linux via WSL with the >intent to obsolete the need to dual boot. With many critical >distributions and software requiring systemd, it only makes sense to >make sure that WSL has complete support; indee

Re: [DNG] Lennart now working for Microsoft

2022-07-15 Thread Curtis Maurand
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Re: [DNG] Lennart now working for Microsoft

2022-07-15 Thread Antonio Rendina via Dng
I think that every company is just trying to harness the open-source strength. Nowadays this is a strategical need. Having control on some open/free source software piece helps you to drive the project in the direction that you find more convenient or to kill the project the moment that you don'

Re: [DNG] Lennart now working for Microsoft

2022-07-14 Thread Lars Noodén via Dng
On 7/14/22 12:04, Peter Duffy wrote: [snip] M$ and IBM haven't always been rivals - worth remembering that OS/2 was originally a joint venture. Then they decided to go their separate ways and fork the OS/2 project: IBM carried on developing OS/2; M$ hacked their version into Windows 95 (remember

Re: [DNG] Lennart now working for Microsoft

2022-07-14 Thread Peter Duffy
On Wed, 2022-07-13 at 15:49 -0500, hal wrote: > On July 13, 2022 3:31:37 PM CDT, Syeed Ali > wrote: > :: Microsoft has a great interest in embracing Linux via WSL with the > :: intent to obsolete the need to dual boot.  With many critical > :: distributions and software requiring systemd, it only

Re: [DNG] Lennart now working for Microsoft

2022-07-13 Thread Jeremy Ardley via Dng
On 14/7/22 4:31 am, Syeed Ali wrote: Microsoft has a great interest in embracing Linux via WSL with the intent to obsolete the need to dual boot. With many critical distributions and software requiring systemd, it only makes sense to make sure that WSL has complete support; indeed better suppor

Re: [DNG] Lennart now working for Microsoft

2022-07-13 Thread hal
On July 13, 2022 3:31:37 PM CDT, Syeed Ali wrote: :: Microsoft has a great interest in embracing Linux via WSL with the :: intent to obsolete the need to dual boot. With many critical :: distributions and software requiring systemd, it only makes sense to :: make sure that WSL has complete suppor

Re: [DNG] Lennart now working for Microsoft

2022-07-13 Thread Syeed Ali
Microsoft has a great interest in embracing Linux via WSL with the intent to obsolete the need to dual boot. With many critical distributions and software requiring systemd, it only makes sense to make sure that WSL has complete support; indeed better support than on Linux. Combined Windows and W

Re: [DNG] Lennart now working for Microsoft

2022-07-13 Thread Peter Duffy
The waters do seem very muddy at the moment. The one thing which seems self-evident is that if Poettering is continuing to work on systemd, it's not going to be in his spare time - so that means that it's going to be in the context of M$, and almost certainly in that of WSL. I'd give a lot to kno

[DNG] Lennart now working for Microsoft

2022-07-12 Thread Edward Bartolo via Dng
Let me understand... So, this excellent coder first grabs the opportunity offered to him by RedHat, and now, after the latter made him rich, he is leaving them! Please, anyone explain to me, how can anyone extend a day beyond the usual 24 hours? Systemd is not a simple game like the many one can f

Re: [DNG] Lennart now working for Microsoft

2022-07-11 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 12:18:29 +0200, Martin wrote in message <12021771.O9o76ZdvQC@ananda>: > Peter Duffy - 11.07.22, 11:37:09 CEST: > > It's an interesting development, and in a strange way it feels as > > though it's been coming. > > > > IBM owns Redhat and M$ owns systemd (Poettering has said t

Re: [DNG] Lennart now working for Microsoft

2022-07-11 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Peter Duffy - 11.07.22, 11:37:09 CEST: > It's an interesting development, and in a strange way it feels as > though it's been coming. > > IBM owns Redhat and M$ owns systemd (Poettering has said that he's > continuing to work on systemd. Presumably that's not going to be in > his spare time ;) ).

Re: [DNG] Lennart now working for Microsoft

2022-07-11 Thread Peter Duffy
It's an interesting development, and in a strange way it feels as though it's been coming. IBM owns Redhat and M$ owns systemd (Poettering has said that he's continuing to work on systemd. Presumably that's not going to be in his spare time ;) ). I wonder how that's going to play out. Maybe M$ wil

Re: [DNG] Lennart now working for Microsoft

2022-07-09 Thread wirelessduck--- via Dng
> On 9 Jul 2022, at 02:07, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > > On 2022-07-08 08:57, Steve Litt wrote: >> What scares me is if he starts putting Microsoft-centric stuff in >> systemd, Linux will need to either migrate away from systemd or be >> subsumed by microsoft. >> SteveT > > We'll be there to p

Re: [DNG] Lennart now working for Microsoft

2022-07-08 Thread Harald Arnesen via Dng
Steve Litt [08/07/2022 15.57]: What scares me is if he starts putting Microsoft-centric stuff in systemd, Linux will need to either migrate away from systemd Wouldn't that be what we all want? or be subsumed by microsoft. Won't happen. -- Hilsen Harald Слава Україні! _

Re: [DNG] Lennart now working for Microsoft

2022-07-08 Thread golinux
On 2022-07-08 08:57, Steve Litt wrote: What scares me is if he starts putting Microsoft-centric stuff in systemd, Linux will need to either migrate away from systemd or be subsumed by microsoft. SteveT We'll be there to pick up the pieces . . . . . . . . . . . . . . and say "we told you so"

Re: [DNG] Lennart now working for Microsoft

2022-07-08 Thread Steve Litt
Martin Steigerwald said on Fri, 08 Jul 2022 13:43:30 +0200 >Hi! > >How come that I am not surprised? Me neither. On first seeing the headline, I thought "what's new about that?", because in my mind redhat is stored in the same compartment as microsoft and I confuse the two. > >I said it back the

[DNG] Lennart now working for Microsoft

2022-07-08 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Hi! How come that I am not surprised? I said it back then already that Systemd adoption followed a similar pattern to Microsoft's "embrace, extend, and extinguish" tactics. (They are still following the very same pattern, this time with Office 365.) Well… I won't miss him. I hope he stops deve