Re: [DNG] Technical overview of init systems

2017-08-12 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 11/08/2017 à 10:07, Narcis Garcia a écrit : Something has to be done (written) As you know, once everything has been /done/ and everything has been /written/, there is always more /written/ than /done/ :-) Nevertheless, let me /write/ the current status of my personnal

Re: [DNG] Technical overview of init systems

2017-08-11 Thread Narcis Garcia
El 11/08/17 a les 07:43, Didier Kryn ha escrit: > Le 10/08/2017 à 16:22, Jamey Fletcher a écrit : >>> Le 09/08/2017 à 22:46, Joel Roth a écrit : >>> Despite what the author claims, this series of pages isn't about >>> init. It is mostly about supervision and a little about containers. It >>>

Re: [DNG] Technical overview of init systems

2017-08-11 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 07:43:42 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: > I thing you're taking me wrong. I don't claim I know the matter > better that the author. He studied all these supervisors in some > detail; I didn't. I just say he failed to explain things in an > educative way - and

Re: [DNG] Technical overview of init systems

2017-08-10 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 10/08/2017 à 16:22, Jamey Fletcher a écrit : Le 09/08/2017 à 22:46, Joel Roth a écrit : Despite what the author claims, this series of pages isn't about init. It is mostly about supervision and a little about containers. It assumes both are usefull, with no argumentation to motivate

Re: [DNG] Technical overview of init systems

2017-08-10 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Jaromil - 09.08.17, 09:16: > On Tue, 08 Aug 2017, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Adam Borowski - 08.08.17, 18:57: > > > On Tue, Aug 08, 2017 at 11:53:56AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > Be careful recommending cgroups. > > > > > > > > I've never used them, and know little about them, but I know

Re: [DNG] Technical overview of init systems

2017-08-10 Thread Steve Litt
T On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 10:46:31 -1000 Joel Roth wrote: > > Edward Bartolo wrote: > > Using this 'resource' will do a disservice to Devuan. Anyone serious > > enough to read it will get the wrong impression that Devuan is some > > 'amateur' distribution not worthy of wasting

Re: [DNG] Technical overview of init systems

2017-08-10 Thread Jamey Fletcher
> Le 09/08/2017 à 22:46, Joel Roth a écrit : > Despite what the author claims, this series of pages isn't about > init. It is mostly about supervision and a little about containers. It > assumes both are usefull, with no argumentation to motivate supervision. > Confusion about init,

Re: [DNG] Technical overview of init systems

2017-08-09 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 09/08/2017 à 22:46, Joel Roth a écrit : Edward, I think that any articles that interest people in exploring this part of their Linux systems can only be good. Edward Bartolo wrote: Using this 'resource' will do a disservice to Devuan. Anyone serious enough to read it will get the wrong

Re: [DNG] Technical overview of init systems

2017-08-09 Thread Joel Roth
Edward, I think that any articles that interest people in exploring this part of their Linux systems can only be good. Edward Bartolo wrote: > Using this 'resource' will do a disservice to Devuan. Anyone serious > enough to read it will get the wrong impression that Devuan is some > 'amateur'

Re: [DNG] Technical overview of init systems

2017-08-09 Thread Narcis Garcia
El 09/08/17 a les 09:13, Edward Bartolo ha escrit: > Using this 'resource' will do a disservice to Devuan. Anyone serious > enough to read it will get the wrong impression that Devuan is some > 'amateur' distribution not worthy of wasting professional hours on it. > Scientific and technical text

Re: [DNG] Technical overview of init systems

2017-08-09 Thread Jaromil
On Tue, 08 Aug 2017, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Adam Borowski - 08.08.17, 18:57: > > On Tue, Aug 08, 2017 at 11:53:56AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > Be careful recommending cgroups. > > > > > > I've never used them, and know little about them, but I know they were > > > one of the main

[DNG] Technical overview of init systems

2017-08-09 Thread Edward Bartolo
Using this 'resource' will do a disservice to Devuan. Anyone serious enough to read it will get the wrong impression that Devuan is some 'amateur' distribution not worthy of wasting professional hours on it. Scientific and technical text must at all costs avoid opinionated writing but this

Re: [DNG] Technical overview of init systems

2017-08-08 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Adam Borowski - 08.08.17, 18:57: > On Tue, Aug 08, 2017 at 11:53:56AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > Be careful recommending cgroups. > > > > I've never used them, and know little about them, but I know they were > > one of the main excuses for systemd. > > Uhm, what? Systemd uses ELF objects

Re: [DNG] Technical overview of init systems

2017-08-08 Thread Adam Borowski
On Tue, Aug 08, 2017 at 11:53:56AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > Be careful recommending cgroups. > > I've never used them, and know little about them, but I know they were > one of the main excuses for systemd. Uhm, what? Systemd uses ELF objects too, should we go with a.out for this reason?

Re: [DNG] Technical overview of init systems

2017-08-08 Thread Miles Fidelman
Me neither. I found the "7 part series" amazingly content free, and certainly not very technical. First off, it wasn't about init systems, it was about supervisors (in fairness, it didn't actually purport to be about init systems). Second, nowhere did it actually talk about, in detail,

[DNG] Technical overview of init systems

2017-08-08 Thread Edward Bartolo
I had a look at the text and was not impressed at all. My criticism is: it is written like some private correspondence instead of technical objective text. Someone writing technical text must be objective, scientific, accurate and concise. ___ Dng

Re: [DNG] Technical overview of init systems

2017-08-08 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 11:11:20 +0200 Jaromil wrote: > what I bring home after reading this is the idea of a supervisor that > manages cgroups and LXC containers in a simple way and, to inherit > some standardised work being done in systemd, supports its service > units. Be

Re: [DNG] Technical overview of init systems

2017-08-08 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 07 Aug 2017 17:25:16 -0500 goli...@dyne.org wrote: > On 2017-08-07 16:41, Joel Roth wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I just came across this seven-part series of articles on > > supervisors and init systems: > > > > https://blog.afoolishmanifesto.com/tags/supervisors/ > > [snip] > > Will be

Re: [DNG] Technical overview of init systems

2017-08-08 Thread Jaromil
dear Joel, On Mon, 07 Aug 2017, Joel Roth wrote: > I just came across this seven-part series of articles on > supervisors and init systems: > > https://blog.afoolishmanifesto.com/tags/supervisors/ thanks for the link. the author still misses important points in lacking an analysis of openRC

Re: [DNG] Technical overview of init systems

2017-08-08 Thread Narcis Garcia
Very good comments to be ported to Devuan's documentation. El 07/08/17 a les 23:41, Joel Roth ha escrit: > Hi, > > I just came across this seven-part series of articles on > supervisors and init systems: > > https://blog.afoolishmanifesto.com/tags/supervisors/ > > (...)

Re: [DNG] Technical overview of init systems

2017-08-07 Thread golinux
On 2017-08-07 16:41, Joel Roth wrote: Hi, I just came across this seven-part series of articles on supervisors and init systems: https://blog.afoolishmanifesto.com/tags/supervisors/ [snip] Cheers, Joel Will be interested to see what

[DNG] Technical overview of init systems

2017-08-07 Thread Joel Roth
Hi, I just came across this seven-part series of articles on supervisors and init systems: https://blog.afoolishmanifesto.com/tags/supervisors/ I only had time for a brief look, but it seems well written by someone who actually uses most of the software he's reviewing. As an aside, for those