[DNG] Educating people (Was: One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats)

2018-06-22 Thread Edward Bartolo
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Re: [DNG] Educating people (Was: One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats)

2018-06-21 Thread Simon Hobson
Jaromil wrote: > from what I understand Simon is saying here, he is not being > understood really. What he is suggesting is to add a small > documentation text that, in case one doesn't knows what to choose, > mentions what is the most common choice in case of most common setups > (today is clear

Re: [DNG] Educating people (Was: One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats)

2018-06-21 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 at 08:41:18 +0200 KatolaZ wrote: > I think you probably missed the point here. believe it or not, there > are genuinely thousands of people who use i686 images because they > happen to have i686 machines. The percentage of those in Devuan is not > that different from the perce

Re: [DNG] Educating people (Was: One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats)

2018-06-21 Thread Jaromil
dear Katolaz On Thu, 21 Jun 2018, KatolaZ wrote: > On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 11:58:56PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote: > > I think you missed the point. > > > > All I’m suggesting is that on the download page there are the > > AMD64 images first, then a note giving very basic suggestions not > > to us

Re: [DNG] Educating people (Was: One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats)

2018-06-20 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 11:58:56PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote: > KatolaZ wrote: > > >>> Of course they are, it's all over the Internet. > >> > >> Being pedantic, that’s not the same - and you **should** know that. > >> IMO there’s a choice to be made - do we (collectively) want to be > >> inclus

Re: [DNG] Educating people (Was: One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats)

2018-06-20 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 at 14:07:51 +0200 KatolaZ wrote: > And this is not at all elitism: it's just the humble admission that > what is "True" for me might not be "THE Truth" for everybody, and that > what is important, crucial, fundamental for me might be just bullshit > for the rest of the world.

Re: [DNG] Educating people (Was: One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats)

2018-06-20 Thread Simon Hobson
KatolaZ wrote: >>> Of course they are, it's all over the Internet. >> >> Being pedantic, that’s not the same - and you **should** know that. >> IMO there’s a choice to be made - do we (collectively) want to be inclusive >> and support all those who don’t know much about computing but want to tr

Re: [DNG] Educating people (Was: One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats)

2018-06-20 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Erik Christiansen (dva...@internode.on.net): > On 20.06.18 12:04, Simon Hobson wrote: > > FWIW, even technical users can lack what some may think is “really > > basic knowledge” - I fell that the most important thing I’ve learned > > over the years is just how much I don’t know ! > > Desp

Re: [DNG] Educating people (Was: One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats)

2018-06-20 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 07:08:36AM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > At one time there were comments that not all packages were available on > amd64. Even today that can be true, especially for some third party > stuff. To wit, a prominent manufacturer of amateur radio equipment > offers utilities fo

Re: [DNG] Educating people (Was: One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats)

2018-06-20 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 20.06.18 14:07, KatolaZ wrote: > I will continue telling people what I think they should know, but the > only way out of ignorance is knowledge, awareness, and individual > action. You can't force people to get interested, to learn, to become > responsible, to understand, to agree with you, to e

Re: [DNG] Educating people (Was: One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats)

2018-06-20 Thread Nate Bargmann
At one time there were comments that not all packages were available on amd64. Even today that can be true, especially for some third party stuff. To wit, a prominent manufacturer of amateur radio equipment offers utilities for its hardware for Linux in addition to the other two, but the Linux ve

Re: [DNG] Educating people (Was: One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats)

2018-06-20 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 12:04:32PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote: > Alessandro Selli wrote: > > > >> The problem is that people are not told why they should away from i386, and > > > > Of course they are, it's all over the Internet. > > Being pedantic, that’s not the same - and you **should** know

Re: [DNG] Educating people (Was: One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats)

2018-06-20 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 20.06.18 12:04, Simon Hobson wrote: > FWIW, even technical users can lack what some may think is “really > basic knowledge” - I fell that the most important thing I’ve learned > over the years is just how much I don’t know ! Despite using *nix exclusively for three decades now, linux for around

Re: [DNG] Educating people (Was: One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats)

2018-06-20 Thread Simon Hobson
Alessandro Selli wrote: > >> The problem is that people are not told why they should away from i386, and > > Of course they are, it's all over the Internet. Being pedantic, that’s not the same - and you **should** know that. IMO there’s a choice to be made - do we (collectively) want to be inc