Le 18/08/2021 à 12:22, al3xu5 a écrit :
> Tue, 17 Aug 2021 17:46:01 -0400 - Steve Litt :
>
>> Antony Stone said on Tue, 17 Aug 2021 21:38:05 +0200
>>
>>
>>> "I think both KDE and Gnome suck - I'm quite unbiased in that, because
>>> I use a Mac."
>>> - Jason Isitt
>> I think both KDE and Gnome s
Tue, 17 Aug 2021 17:46:01 -0400 - Steve Litt :
> Antony Stone said on Tue, 17 Aug 2021 21:38:05 +0200
>
>
> >"I think both KDE and Gnome suck - I'm quite unbiased in that, because
> >I use a Mac."
> > - Jason Isitt
>
> I think both KDE and Gnome suck - I'm quite unbiased in that, because I
>
Antony Stone said on Tue, 17 Aug 2021 21:38:05 +0200
>"I think both KDE and Gnome suck - I'm quite unbiased in that, because
>I use a Mac."
> - Jason Isitt
I think both KDE and Gnome suck - I'm quite unbiased in that, because I
use OpenBox on Linux.
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Olaf Meeuwissen said on Fri, 09 Apr 2021 19:59:26 +0900
>Hi Steve,
>
>Steve Litt writes:
>
>> Mate via Dng said on Fri, 09 Apr 2021 00:23:29 +0300
>>
>>
>>>My own preference is 3rd Gnome.
>>
>> What would Gnome give you that you can't get from other Window
>> Managers and Desktop Environments
Hi Steve,
Steve Litt writes:
> Mate via Dng said on Fri, 09 Apr 2021 00:23:29 +0300
>
>
>>My own preference is 3rd Gnome.
>
> What would Gnome give you that you can't get from other Window Managers
> and Desktop Environments (WM/DE)?
A familiar work environment, perhaps?
I ditched GNOME a long
Mate via Dng said on Fri, 09 Apr 2021 00:23:29 +0300
>My own preference is 3rd Gnome.
What would Gnome give you that you can't get from other Window Managers
and Desktop Environments (WM/DE)?
By the way, are you a touch typist who can type over 35 wpm?
SteveT
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Hi Mate,
On ven, 09 avr 2021, Mate via Dng wrote:
> My own preference is 3rd Gnome. I can't see it in the official
> supported desktop environments list for the Beowulf release, but my
> testing in virtual machine shows that it works.
>
> Could you please advise me if it's stable enough to use i
Hello Everyone!
Somehow all this systemd buzz flew behind me, so it's a pity that I
discovered all drawbacks that it has recently. Which lead me to
understand that it's not an init system that I want. It's nice to see
that here, a lot of people are doing the right thing, from my point of
view.
My
On 29/09/17 09:01, Bardot Jérôme wrote:
> Le 28/09/2017 à 13:41, Arnt Karlsen a écrit :
>> On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 09:40:54 +0200, Bardot wrote in message
>> :
>>
>>> Le 27/09/2017 à 18:24, Edward Bartolo a écrit :
Quote: "Yes, we do want them, because we want enough users of Gnome
here so w
Le 28/09/2017 à 13:41, Arnt Karlsen a écrit :
> On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 09:40:54 +0200, Bardot wrote in message
> :
>
>> Le 27/09/2017 à 18:24, Edward Bartolo a écrit :
>>> Quote: "Yes, we do want them, because we want enough users of Gnome
>>> here so we can tell the Gnome project to make systemd con
On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 09:40:54 +0200, Bardot wrote in message
:
> Le 27/09/2017 à 18:24, Edward Bartolo a écrit :
> > Quote: "Yes, we do want them, because we want enough users of Gnome
> > here so we can tell the Gnome project to make systemd conditional in
> > their source tree, and to accept the
Le 27/09/2017 à 18:24, Edward Bartolo a écrit :
> Quote: "Yes, we do want them, because we want enough users of Gnome
> here so we can tell the Gnome project to make systemd conditional in
> their source tree, and to accept the patches we (and others) will send
> upstream."
If the work is done i do
Quote: "Yes, we do want them, because we want enough users of Gnome
here so we can tell the Gnome project to make systemd conditional in
their source tree, and to accept the patches we (and others) will send
upstream."
Pushing systemd down Gnome users' throats is part of their marketing
strategy.
On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:21:05 +0200
Narcis Garcia wrote:
>
>
> El 27/09/17 a les 08:12, John Morris ha escrit:
> > On Tue, 2017-09-26 at 03:42 -0400, taii...@gmx.com wrote:
> >> Why not use the gnome 2 fork MATE?
> >
> > Why not? It mostly works out of the box, I'm using it now. If you
> >
The subject for this thread is Gnome (v3), that is a different desktop
than Mate (v1).
Please, don't forget the initial petition for this thread (and for any
list's thread) that has no relation on choosing a Desktop Environment.
El 27/09/17 a les 08:12, John Morris ha escrit:
> On Tue, 2017-09-26
On Tue, 2017-09-26 at 03:42 -0400, taii...@gmx.com wrote:
> Why not use the gnome 2 fork MATE?
Why not? It mostly works out of the box, I'm using it now. If you
install it onto a laptop you won't have working power management because
of dependencies on systemd. Google can give you the details b
> On Sep 26, 2017, at 3:42 AM, taii...@gmx.com wrote:
>
> Why not use the gnome 2 fork MATE?
If you really want Gnome 3 Shell, then you want to run Fedora. Any other
(major) distro might run G3S, but it will have odd quirks. Ubuntu, for
example, is really a Unity distro, and the package conf
On Tue, 26 Sep 2017 10:04:24 +0200
Narcis Garcia wrote:
> Current Mate is pretty different than current Gnome.
> It's like somebody asking for Windows GUI and responding with Windows
> 3.11-like GUI.
>
>
Windows 3.11-like would be 'Windows for workgroups' and Mate is nothing
like 'Windows for
Current Mate is pretty different than current Gnome.
It's like somebody asking for Windows GUI and responding with Windows
3.11-like GUI.
El 26/09/17 a les 09:42, taii...@gmx.com ha escrit:
> Why not use the gnome 2 fork MATE?
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On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 11:57:37 +0200, Didier wrote in message
<848f652f-8b44-800f-88c1-da35cb086...@in2p3.fr>:
> Le 20/09/2017 à 20:07, Steve Litt a écrit :
> > On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:31:38 -0400
> > John Franklin wrote:
> >
> >
> >> That said, there are plenty who either like it or at least have
Le 20/09/2017 à 20:07, Steve Litt a écrit :
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:31:38 -0400
John Franklin wrote:
That said, there are plenty who either like it or at least have
gotten used to it. If we could get Gnome working here, it would
attract more users to Devuan.
Serious question: Do we want that
On 2017-09-20 14:22, John Franklin wrote:
On Sep 20, 2017, at 2:07 PM, Steve Litt
wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:31:38 -0400
John Franklin wrote:
That said, there are plenty who either like it or at least have
gotten used to it. If we could get Gnome working here, it would
attract more user
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 2:07 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:31:38 -0400
> John Franklin wrote:
>
>
>> That said, there are plenty who either like it or at least have
>> gotten used to it. If we could get Gnome working here, it would
>> attract more users to Devuan.
>
> Serio
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:31:38 -0400
John Franklin wrote:
> That said, there are plenty who either like it or at least have
> gotten used to it. If we could get Gnome working here, it would
> attract more users to Devuan.
Serious question: Do we want that kind of user? Somebody who knows
enough
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 2:06 AM, Didier Kryn wrote:
>
> Le 19/09/2017 à 15:00, Narcis Garcia a écrit :
>> 1. Gnome is the desktop environment that better fits my criteria for
>> unexperienced and normal people.
>
>Are you kidding? I consider myself an experienced user and cannot make
> sense
On 09/18/2017 03:02 AM, Narcis Garcia wrote:
> Is there some published procedure to install Gnome in Devuan 8/9 ?
>
> I need this to migrate desktop users from Debian & Ubuntu.
>
While as others have said Gnome is an intertwined mess with systemd,
there has been a continuing effort by dantrell to k
On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 07:38:28AM -0400, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 13:35:42 +0200
> Adam Borowski wrote:
>
> > And yeah, an analogy that makes systemd a disease is fitting...
>
> I know, been refering to it for ages as a pox...
It's funnier in Polish where colloquial wo
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 13:35:42 +0200
Adam Borowski wrote:
> And yeah, an analogy that makes systemd a disease is fitting...
I know, been refering to it for ages as a pox...
Cheers,
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On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 07:00:06AM -0400, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 12:50:55 +0200
> Narcis Garcia wrote:
>
> > I prefer the best (for me) of all worlds: No Systemd, but Yes Gnome.
>
> Which is like wanting unprotected sex, but without sexually transmitted
> diseases...
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 12:50:55 +0200
Narcis Garcia wrote:
> I prefer the best (for me) of all worlds: No Systemd, but Yes Gnome.
Which is like wanting unprotected sex, but without sexually transmitted
diseases...
Cheers,
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On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 12:50:55PM +0200, Narcis Garcia wrote:
> El 20/09/17 a les 12:43, J. Fahrner ha escrit:
> > Am 2017-09-20 11:59, schrieb Narcis Garcia:
> >
> >> I like to rely on distribution's packages and be able to open a bug when
> >> necessary about it. If Devuan's people say Gnome is
El 20/09/17 a les 12:43, J. Fahrner ha escrit:
> Am 2017-09-20 11:59, schrieb Narcis Garcia:
>
>> I like to rely on distribution's packages and be able to open a bug when
>> necessary about it. If Devuan's people say Gnome is not supported at
>> all, this means I need some other way to work on thi
Am 2017-09-20 11:59, schrieb Narcis Garcia:
I like to rely on distribution's packages and be able to open a bug
when
necessary about it. If Devuan's people say Gnome is not supported at
all, this means I need some other way to work on this.
IMHO this would be the best option for you. Why do y
Could Devuan project itself open a bug in bugzilla.gnome.org about
issues without Systemd?
El 18/09/17 a les 09:02, Narcis Garcia ha escrit:
> Is there some published procedure to install Gnome in Devuan 8/9 ?
>
> I need this to migrate desktop users from Debian & Ubuntu.
> _
El 20/09/17 a les 11:48, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI ha escrit:
> On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 09:02:37 +0200
> Narcis Garcia wrote:
>
>> Is there some published procedure to install Gnome in Devuan 8/9 ?
>> I need this to migrate desktop users from Debian & Ubuntu.
>
> There are in the Devuan repo 557 packages
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 09:02:37 +0200
Narcis Garcia wrote:
> Is there some published procedure to install Gnome in Devuan 8/9 ?
> I need this to migrate desktop users from Debian & Ubuntu.
There are in the Devuan repo 557 packages related to Gnome, 303 of which have
Gnome in their name.
So go ahe
On Tue, 2017-09-19 at 16:04 +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
> On Tue, 2017-09-19 at 15:22 +0200, Narcis Garcia wrote:
> > I understand perfectly current situation with Gnome and Systemd.
> > But if I cannot offer Gnome 3 to desktop users (or a fork as Mate was
> > for Gnome 2), Devuan is not an option
Le 19/09/2017 à 15:00, Narcis Garcia a écrit :
1. Gnome is the desktop environment that better fits my criteria for
unexperienced and normal people.
Are you kidding? I consider myself an experienced user and cannot
make sense of either Gnome or KDE in their "modern" incarnations.
XFC
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:00:22 +0200
Narcis Garcia wrote:
> El 18/09/17 a les 19:45, Steve Litt ha escrit:
> > Why in the world would you need Gnome?
>
> 1. Gnome is the desktop environment that better fits my criteria for
> unexperienced and normal people.
>
> 2. I select desktop software for
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:56:13 +0200
"J. Fahrner" wrote:
> I'm wondering why people cry when they don't get Gnome and why they
> try to enforce Devuan developers to offer Gnome. Devuans goal is to
> offer a Linux system without systemd. And that's not possible for
> Gnome, because Gnome depends on
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:22:14 +0200
Narcis Garcia wrote:
> I understand perfectly current situation with Gnome and Systemd.
> But if I cannot offer Gnome 3 to desktop users (or a fork as Mate was
> for Gnome 2), Devuan is not an option for me in this area.
Stick with Debian, become an expert on s
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 11:19:02 +0200
Narcis Garcia wrote:
>
>
> El 18/09/17 a les 19:45, Steve Litt ha escrit:
> Why in the world would you need Gnome? Copy their home directory,
>> I'm trying now to make an installation as similar as possible to
>> Gnome. XFCE is the best option for a Gnome-li
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 16:49:31 +0200, Narcis wrote in message
<2d75dd54-26ec-7d5a-e5c4-23506cbf7...@actiu.net>:
> El 19/09/17 a les 16:16, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI ha escrit:
> > On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:22:14 +0200
> > Narcis Garcia wrote:
> >
> >> I understand perfectly current situation with Gnome a
On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 03:00:22PM +0200, Narcis Garcia wrote:
> El 18/09/17 a les 19:45, Steve Litt ha escrit:
>
> 2. I select desktop software for hundreds of users, and 99% of users
> that already use desktop computers installed by me (hundreds more), use
> Gnome. I don't want to face another c
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 at 16:49:31 +0200
Narcis Garcia wrote:
> El 19/09/17 a les 16:16, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI ha escrit:
>> On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:22:14 +0200
>> Narcis Garcia wrote:
>>
>>> I understand perfectly current situation with Gnome and Systemd.
>>> But if I cannot offer Gnome 3 to desk
El 19/09/17 a les 16:16, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI ha escrit:
> On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:22:14 +0200
> Narcis Garcia wrote:
>
>> I understand perfectly current situation with Gnome and Systemd.
>> But if I cannot offer Gnome 3 to desktop users (or a fork as Mate was
>> for Gnome 2), Devuan is not an opt
El 19/09/17 a les 15:56, J. Fahrner ha escrit:
> Am 2017-09-19 15:00, schrieb Narcis Garcia:
>> El 18/09/17 a les 19:45, Steve Litt ha escrit:
>>> Why in the world would you need Gnome?
>>
>> 1. Gnome is the desktop environment that better fits my criteria for
>> unexperienced and normal people.
>>
El 19/09/17 a les 15:30, Rick Moen ha escrit:
> Quoting Narcis Garcia (informat...@actiu.net):
>
>> I understand perfectly current situation with Gnome and Systemd.
>> But if I cannot offer Gnome 3 to desktop users (or a fork as Mate was
>> for Gnome 2), Devuan is not an option for me in this area
On Tuesday 19 September 2017 at 15:16:58, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:22:14 +0200 Narcis Garcia wrote:
>
> > I understand perfectly current situation with Gnome and Systemd.
> > But if I cannot offer Gnome 3 to desktop users (or a fork as Mate was
> > for Gnome 2), Devuan
On Mon, 2017-09-18 at 13:45 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 09:02:37 +0200
>
> Why in the world would you need Gnome?
I don't think we should blindly reject providing Gnome in Devuan. As I wrote,
shwsh has already provided the two needed packages: elogind and gnome-settings-
daemon
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:22:14 +0200
Narcis Garcia wrote:
> I understand perfectly current situation with Gnome and Systemd.
> But if I cannot offer Gnome 3 to desktop users (or a fork as Mate was
> for Gnome 2), Devuan is not an option for me in this area.
What does Gnome offer, that XFCE lacks ?
On Tue, 2017-09-19 at 14:51 +0200, Narcis Garcia wrote:
> I've tried shwsh's procedure and it doesn't work in the first step.
> Scenario was: Devuan 8 fresh install with all defaults, and only removed
> default desktop with:
> $ sudo tasksel remove desktop xfce-desktop
> $ sudo reboot
You have to
On Tue, 2017-09-19 at 15:22 +0200, Narcis Garcia wrote:
> I understand perfectly current situation with Gnome and Systemd.
> But if I cannot offer Gnome 3 to desktop users (or a fork as Mate was
> for Gnome 2), Devuan is not an option for me in this area.
I run mate in Devuan Ascii. BBL when I sta
Am 2017-09-19 15:00, schrieb Narcis Garcia:
El 18/09/17 a les 19:45, Steve Litt ha escrit:
Why in the world would you need Gnome?
1. Gnome is the desktop environment that better fits my criteria for
unexperienced and normal people.
2. I select desktop software for hundreds of users, and 99% o
Quoting Narcis Garcia (informat...@actiu.net):
> I understand perfectly current situation with Gnome and Systemd.
> But if I cannot offer Gnome 3 to desktop users (or a fork as Mate was
> for Gnome 2), Devuan is not an option for me in this area.
Or you could give Xfce a try. It's rather nice.
I understand perfectly current situation with Gnome and Systemd.
But if I cannot offer Gnome 3 to desktop users (or a fork as Mate was
for Gnome 2), Devuan is not an option for me in this area.
Servers are an independent chapter.
El 19/09/17 a les 15:14, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI ha escrit:
> On Tue,
On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 03:00:22PM +0200, Narcis Garcia wrote:
> El 18/09/17 a les 19:45, Steve Litt ha escrit:
> > Why in the world would you need Gnome?
>
> 1. Gnome is the desktop environment that better fits my criteria for
> unexperienced and normal people.
>
> 2. I select desktop software f
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:00:22 +0200
Narcis Garcia wrote:
> 3. Why not?
Because all recent versions of Gnome are infected with the systemd pox.
Cheers,
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El 18/09/17 a les 19:45, Steve Litt ha escrit:
> Why in the world would you need Gnome?
1. Gnome is the desktop environment that better fits my criteria for
unexperienced and normal people.
2. I select desktop software for hundreds of users, and 99% of users
that already use desktop computers ins
I've tried shwsh's procedure and it doesn't work in the first step.
apt loops in a large messages list, all saying:
...
Note, selecting 'python2.7-taurus' for regex '.'
Note, selecting 'r-cran-kernsmooth' for regex '.'
Note, selecting 'slsh' for regex '.'
...
Neither with dpkg:
$ sudo dkg -i elog
On Tue, 2017-09-19 at 11:19 +0200, Narcis Garcia wrote:
> I'm trying now to make an installation as similar as possible to Gnome.
> XFCE is the best option for a Gnome-like theme and behavior?
See https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20170918.102751.1992aff3.en.html
_
I'm trying now to make an installation as similar as possible to Gnome.
XFCE is the best option for a Gnome-like theme and behavior?
El 18/09/17 a les 19:45, Steve Litt ha escrit:
> On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 09:02:37 +0200
> Narcis Garcia wrote:
>
>> Is there some published procedure to install Gnome
Le 18/09/2017 à 19:45, Steve Litt a écrit :
assign them
temporary passwords which you give them, and have them change their
passwords.
Or just copy their shadow passwords.
Didier
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On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 09:02:37 +0200
Narcis Garcia wrote:
> Is there some published procedure to install Gnome in Devuan 8/9 ?
Gnome is so tightly would with systemd that it can't be run on Devuan
with reasonable effort.
> I need this to migrate desktop users from Debian & Ubuntu.
Why in the wor
On Mon, 2017-09-18 at 09:02 +0200, Narcis Garcia wrote:
> Is there some published procedure to install Gnome in Devuan 8/9 ?
>
> I need this to migrate desktop users from Debian & Ubuntu.
On IRC September 6 somebody (shwsh) reported gnome running on Devuan. He
packaged elogind gnome-settings-deam
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 09:02:37 +0200
Narcis Garcia wrote:
> Is there some published procedure to install Gnome in Devuan 8/9 ?
>
> I need this to migrate desktop users from Debian & Ubuntu.
For a recent version of Gnome:
1- Install systemd
..
Cheers,
Ron.
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On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 09:02:37 +0200, Narcis wrote in message
:
> Is there some published procedure to install Gnome in Devuan 8/9 ?
>
> I need this to migrate desktop users from Debian & Ubuntu.
..the only versions I can recommend, are the gnome-1.x-ish versions
that came with S.u.S.E.-5.2. It
Is there some published procedure to install Gnome in Devuan 8/9 ?
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Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl):
> Another one:
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=785956
>
> It really makes me wonder why any distribution still even ships Gnome, much
> less has it as the default.
My best guess after watching many organisations' behaviour: Most of the
d
On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 02:52:18PM -0400, zap wrote:
> removing runit-init and most other init options?
runit-init got dropped not because of malice -- or rather, very much because
of malice but on the side of a bloody dictator rather than that of the
Debian release team. After Dmitry Bogatov got
> Nope, this is unrelated. And they had no souls even late in Gnome2 days,
> before systemd was even a glimmer in Lennart's eye.
>
That is very surprising, and here I thought they once had a
conscience... Although gnome 3 and systemd are very lets call it:
"unnecessary"
I say that only because o
On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 19:35:55 +0200
Adam Borowski wrote:
> And they had no souls even late in Gnome2 days,
> before systemd was even a glimmer in Lennart's eye.
which probably made it easier for the Evil One to take them under his thrall...
Cheers,
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On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 01:01:16PM -0400, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 18:24:31 +0200
> Adam Borowski wrote:
>
> > It really makes me wonder why any distribution still even ships Gnome, much
> > less has it as the default.
>
> Could it be because Gnome have sold their immortal sou
On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 18:24:31 +0200
Adam Borowski wrote:
> It really makes me wonder why any distribution still even ships Gnome, much
> less has it as the default.
Could it be because Gnome have sold their immortal souls to Systemd ?
Cheers,
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Another one:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=785956
It really makes me wonder why any distribution still even ships Gnome, much
less has it as the default.
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On Tue, 13 Jun 2017 10:45:19 +0200
Antony Stone wrote:
> On Tuesday 13 June 2017 08:19:54 Jaromil wrote:
> > but not GNOME! As with systemd, we are confident this won't hinder
> > user's freedom of choice since one can always go use Ubuntu or
> > Debian which are offering that.
>
> So, you
On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 10:45:19AM +0200, Antony Stone wrote:
>
> Is there a short answer (or can you point me at docs) to the question "what
> makes a DE dependent on systemd?"
>
The decision by the developers to use its interfaces instead of the traditional
ones.
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On Tuesday 13 June 2017 08:19:54 Jaromil wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jun 2017, Antony Stone wrote:
> > So, are Gnome and KDE currently still "known to suffer from some glitches
> > due to the lack of systemd" (and if so, are these documented anywhere)?
> >
> > Or can these be expected to work as well as
hi Antony,
On Mon, 12 Jun 2017, Antony Stone wrote:
> So, are Gnome and KDE currently still "known to suffer from some glitches due
> to the lack of systemd" (and if so, are these documented anywhere)?
>
> Or can these be expected to work as well as XFCE, and as well as Debian
> Jessie
> wou
Hi.
https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/stable-2nd-candidate-announce-050517
I notice that the above RC2 release notes say "Removed GNOME, KDE, and
Cinnamon as DE options in tasksel. These three DEs are still (mostly)
installable after the installation is complete, but they are known to suffer
f
Le 23/05/2015 19:08, Go Linux a écrit :
Thought some of you might find this interesting. A sign of things to come? Or
maybe I've totally missed the point (I'm still far from 'back-to-the-living'):
Jessie, unwanted Gnome, xdg autostart, Console Kit
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&
Thought some of you might find this interesting. A sign of things to come? Or
maybe I've totally missed the point (I'm still far from 'back-to-the-living'):
Jessie, unwanted Gnome, xdg autostart, Console Kit
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=122178&sid=bd86a0bffd3a77e9f90dc9c52e59a0
On 29.12.2014 14:13, Richard wrote:
> Yes.
> And use a DE like Xfce for easier takeup.
> Needless complexity is a trap to delay the Devuan project.
IIRC, our primary goal is to bring back the original freedom of chioce,
and therefore support non-systemd (or maybe non-freedesktop.*) setups,
whi
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>
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Vince Mulhollon
wrote:
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> T.J. seems to be proposing more of a freebsd model, where xmonad is part
> of Debian but not part of Freebsd 10.1, although the UI is virtually
> identical "apt-get install something" vs "pkg install something". That
> would be a bi
I would not miss gnome. Now you have a statistic.
I would not miss kde. Now you have two.
I would not miss anything. Now you have three.
I don't like enlightenment or tabbed window managers. Now you have four.
I do like icewm, fvwm, sawfish, and kde. Now you have five.
I would not use devuan if X11
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Jude Nelson wrote:
> Regarding usage data, do you think Debian's popcon numbers will yield any
> useful insights?
>
I believe there might be significant self selection bias issues WRT who
participates. Given that, to save anyone else the time, 9K konsole votes,
>
>
> On Dec 29, 2014 11:26 AM, "Vince Mulhollon" wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> In an "emperor has no clothes" moment, does that audience exist other
>> than devs and corporate support aka are there any voluntary users who
>> wouldn't be happy with something else?
>>
>
Excellent point.
> You can recognize t
On 12/29/2014 2:55 AM, KatolaZ wrote
If I can give my 2 cents to this discussion, I would like to point out
that the "Conquest of the Desktop Market" is just a nonsense, and I
believe that RedHat knows it very well. GNU/Linux has never taken off
on desktops, and probably never will, first because
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 10:26:42AM -0600, Vince Mulhollon wrote:
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>
> A summary might be DEs probably are not as popular or important or actually
> used as much as very widely believed in the dev community, so intense focus
> on them above all other software is counterproductive.
I tend to
Excellent post, Vince! Regarding usage data, do you think Debian's popcon
numbers will yield any useful insights?
Jude
On Dec 29, 2014 11:26 AM, "Vince Mulhollon" wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 8:50 AM, Mauro Cicio wrote:
>
>> we are not ready to give up the philosophical principles behind *
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 8:50 AM, Mauro Cicio wrote:
> we are not ready to give up the philosophical principles behind *nix ("do
> 1 thing and do it right") and the freedom that comes with the "free as in
> speech" part of the FSF GNU.
>
I like that, maybe as a project motto or marketing tagline.
> ... Xfce ...
> ... Enlightenment ...
Well, I am using fluxbox myself, but I wouldn't mind if it was not
available from day 1: I can still compile it, if I really want it. The same
is very likely true for most of the people in this list: we can live
without our pet WM out of the box, but we are n
On 29 December 2014 at 11:13, Richard wrote:
> An init-free debian-like distro would be very appealing for the largest
>> majority of those that would consider installing Devuan, GNOME or not.
>>
>
> Yes.
> And use a DE like Xfce for easier takeup.
>
Or Enlightenment... I'm using it on a daily b
>
> An init-free debian-like distro would be very appealing for the largest
> majority of those that would consider installing Devuan, GNOME or not.
>
Yes.
And use a DE like Xfce for easier takeup.
Needless complexity is a trap to delay the Devuan project.
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 6:24 AM, Mauro
Why do we want to make the group of those not interested in GNOME wait for
GNOME, when not waiting would result in no major impact on those that are
interested in GNOME (probably a minority, BTW)?
It is enough to have a two step release, the first w/o GNOME, which will be
in the second half of the
On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 10:50:07PM -0500, Clarke Sideroad wrote:
> I think this whole CLI - GUI thing causes a lot more polarization
> than it should.
> There are I'm sure a lot of people like myself who use the linux
> desktop day to day, have no problem dealing with the command line or
> administ
I think this whole CLI - GUI thing causes a lot more polarization than
it should.
There are I'm sure a lot of people like myself who use the linux desktop
day to day, have no problem dealing with the command line or
administering a few boxes.
A lot of desktop users are long term geeks, nerds an
I'm an end user, mainly using Mint LMDE. I've been testing Jessie and
was disappointed to find the numerous bugs in systemd. Also the way so
many apps were dependent on Gnome and vice versa. I would favour "get
Devuan up and running with DEs/WMs" and offer optional desktops later
(preferably Ci
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