On Sat, Aug 08, 2015 at 02:38:48AM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote:
You could always lift scripts from Wheezy and use them as a template.
Or even from jessie, now that Debian jessie in stable.
-- hendrik
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 2:28 AM, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net
wrote:
T.J.
On 8 August 2015 09:28:42 CEST, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net
wrote:
If, instead, they start removing the sysv scripts, and including
homebrew systemd units - then we're in for a mess of rework.
both me, Franco and other VUAs are literally aiming to a fork, either after
Jessie or
But now we're back into having to have a completely separate package
repository, along with a full set of package maintainers. Sigh.
T.J. Duchene wrote:
You could always lift scripts from Wheezy and use them as a template.
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 2:28 AM, Miles Fidelman
Jaromil wrote:
On 8 August 2015 09:28:42 CEST, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net
wrote:
If, instead, they start removing the sysv scripts, and including
homebrew systemd units - then we're in for a mess of rework.
both me, Franco and other VUAs are literally aiming to a fork, either
Isaac Dunham ibid...@gmail.com writes:
On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 05:14:28PM +0200, Laurent Bercot wrote:
On 06/08/2015 16:31, Isaac Dunham wrote:
If differences in environment can cause problems, it's a problem with
design. A program that changes what it does just due to differences
between
On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 11:03:34 +0200
Jaromil jaro...@dyne.org wrote:
Jaromil wrote:
Its early to say, but this thread is just prospecting. I believe that
on a longer term we can hardly do worse tha Debian when untangling
dependencies that right now constantly drag in desktop oriented
Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net writes:
Rainer Weikusat wrote:
[...]
Also, to re-iterate this: What an init script needs to do is really only
'start a process'/ 'stop a process'. Most of the other code which crept
in there during the last 15 - 20 years will fall into one of two
Jaromil wrote:
Jaromil wrote:
Its early to say, but this thread is just prospecting. I believe that
on a longer term we can hardly do worse tha Debian when untangling
dependencies that right now constantly drag in desktop oriented
stuff, like avahi and other similar nonsense that we almost got
On Sat, Aug 08, 2015 at 09:43:47AM +0200, Laurent Bercot wrote:
On 08/08/2015 03:43, Isaac Dunham wrote:
Which, fortunately, is pretty easy to do: I wrote an environment
sanitizer yesterday, because I was curious how easily solved that is.
Usage is
cautenv [-c DIR] [-u] [-x] COMMAND
On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 09:46:07 +0200
Jaromil jaro...@dyne.org wrote:
On 8 August 2015 09:28:42 CEST, Miles Fidelman
mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote:
If, instead, they start removing the sysv scripts, and including
homebrew systemd units - then we're in for a mess of rework.
both me,
Hi,
sorry for picking up on this edge while the thread's general
discussion has advanced further.
The status command matters to me; that is why I would like
to address its handling in a more detailed manner.
Laurent Bercot wrote on 06/08/2015 at 14:21 CEST:
[...]
And status. This is very
Apologies, a typo:
I wrote myself on 07/08/2015 at 15:21 CEST:
[...]
* the status is failed (the service is *NOT* alive, and this
is due to it having failed to start on a previous attempt
to do so).
My question is, did I understand that correctly?
[...]
Kind regards.
I'm not sure how systemd does it, but in my vision, there should be
two different states for the service: the *wanted* state, and the
*current* state.
The wanted state is what is set by the administrator when she runs
a command such as rc thisrunlevel. The command should set all the
services
James Powell Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:02:56 -0700
Currently Debian packages contains both systemd units and init scripts.
However, Debian developers refused to support several init systems. So it's
only a matter of time when they remove init scripts from packages.What will
Devuan developers do when
is somehow provided.
On 07/08/2015, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote:
Alexey Rochev wrote
*Date: *2015-08-05 07:29 -400
*To: *dng
*Subject: *[DNG] Init scripts in packages
Currently Debian packages contains both systemd units and init scripts.
However, Debian developers refused
Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net writes:
Alexey Rochev wrote
*Date: *2015-08-05 07:29 -400
*To: *dng
*Subject: *[DNG] Init scripts in packages
Currently Debian packages contains both systemd units and init scripts.
However, Debian developers refused to support several init
systems
Rainer Weikusat wrote:
Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net writes:
Alexey Rochev wrote
*Date: *2015-08-05 07:29 -400
*To: *dng
*Subject: *[DNG] Init scripts in packages
Currently Debian packages contains both systemd units and init scripts.
However, Debian developers refused to support
tilt! t...@linuxfoo.de writes:
[...]
Laurent Bercot wrote on 06/08/2015 at 14:21 CEST:
[...]
And status. This is very service-dependent: since there is no
global API, no service manager, scripts will query the daemon's
status in a daemon-specific way. More vagueness again, because
status
- Original Message -
From: Rainer Weikusat rainerweiku...@virginmedia.com
Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net writes:
Worse, if refuse to support multiple init systems means that the
Debian packagers start stripping out the init scripts from Debian
packages, those, those
Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net writes:
Rainer Weikusat wrote:
Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net writes:
Alexey Rochev wrote
*Date: *2015-08-05 07:29 -400
*To: *dng
*Subject: *[DNG] Init scripts in packages
Currently Debian packages contains both systemd units and init
On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 05:14:28PM +0200, Laurent Bercot wrote:
On 06/08/2015 16:31, Isaac Dunham wrote:
If differences in environment can cause problems, it's a problem with
design. A program that changes what it does just due to differences
between the init environment and a login
Rainer Weikusat wrote:
Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net writes:
Rainer Weikusat wrote:
Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net writes:
Alexey Rochev wrote
*Date: *2015-08-05 07:29 -400
*To: *dng
*Subject: *[DNG] Init scripts in packages
Currently Debian packages contains both
Rainer Weikusat rainerweiku...@virginmedia.com writes:
[...]
I'm going to ignore the remainder of this because - while system startup
is a topic of some interest to me - people warring over the right way to
replace UNIX(*) because it's broken isn't.
Since this is maybe/ likely a bit harsh
Rainer Weikusat rainerweiku...@virginmedia.com writes:
Laurent Bercot ska-de...@skarnet.org writes:
On 06/08/2015 20:18, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
UNIX(*) and therefore, Linux, provides two system calls named fork and
exec which can be used to create a new process while inheriting certain
parts
Laurent Bercot ska-de...@skarnet.org writes:
On 06/08/2015 20:18, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
UNIX(*) and therefore, Linux, provides two system calls named fork and
exec which can be used to create a new process while inheriting certain
parts of the existing environment and to execute a new program
Am 06.08.2015 17:49 schrieb Steve Litt:
Laurent Bercot ska-de...@skarnet.org wrote:
I have never said, am not saying, and probably never will say that
systemd is any good. It's not, and Lennart and Kay should go back to
engineering school,
:s/engineering school/kindergarten/
Hell no, that
On 07/08/2015 00:09, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
Since this is maybe/ likely a bit harsh
Not harsh, just unwilling to accept that I'm actually your ally and
not your enemy.
I'm not trying to replace Unix, because Unix is not broken - at least,
not as far as system startup is concerned. There
Laurent Bercot ska-de...@skarnet.org writes:
A leading remark: This is based on an existing system I have implemented
(originally for Debian 5) working in the described way. The code is
proprietary as I'm one of those evil guys who want to (and do) write code
for a living despite the 'free
On 06/08/2015 20:18, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
UNIX(*) and therefore, Linux, provides two system calls named fork and
exec which can be used to create a new process while inheriting certain
parts of the existing environment and to execute a new program in an
existing process, keeping most of the
Currently Debian packages contains both systemd units and init scripts.
However, Debian developers refused to support several init systems. So it's
only a matter of time when they remove init scripts from packages.What will
Devuan developers do when it happens? We can use sysvinit and Devuan
Alexey Rochev equ...@gmail.com writes:
Currently Debian packages contains both systemd units and init scripts.
However, Debian developers refused to support several init systems. So it's
only a matter of time when they remove init scripts from packages.
This would rid the world of a lot of
On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 02:21:55PM +0200, Laurent Bercot wrote:
On 06/08/2015 11:45, tilt! wrote:
Thing is, init scripts tend to have problems managing services
that do not offer sufficient commandline interfaces as described
above
There's a simple reason for that: init scripts aren't
On 06/08/2015 16:00, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
That's all nice and dandy but it all boils down to 'the code executed by
the init script was deficient in some way'.
Yes, just like root exploits boil down to the code executed by the
suid program was deficient in some way.
My point is that you
On 05/08/15 23:29, Alexey Rochev wrote:
Currently Debian packages contains both systemd units and init
scripts. However, Debian developers refused to support several init
systems. So it's only a matter of time when they remove init scripts
from packages. What will Devuan developers do when it
On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 10:28:47 +0100
Rainer Weikusat rainerweiku...@virginmedia.com wrote:
But a bare-bones init script does really only three things:
1. Execute a command to start something.
2. Execute a command which stops it again.
3. Execute 2) then 1) for a restart.
Those are easy. The
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 16:41:38 +0200
Laurent Bercot ska-de...@skarnet.org wrote:
I have never said, am not saying, and probably never will say that
systemd is any good. It's not, and Lennart and Kay should go back to
engineering school,
:s/engineering school/kindergarten/
/* Litt ducks and
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