Le 12/03/2018 à 12:34, Luciano Mannucci a écrit :
On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 10:07:57 +0100
Martin Steigerwald wrote:
I do follow the Linux PPC laptop project¹, and it would probably be wise to
give some money to them. But they also currently use a closed hardware design.
[1] https://www.powerpc-not
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 12:49:19PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 12/03/2018 à 12:34, Luciano Mannucci a écrit :
> > On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 10:07:57 +0100
> > Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> >
> > > I do follow the Linux PPC laptop project¹, and it would probably be wise
> > > to
> > > give some money
One thing about using used [,old] and free hardware is that it has power
efficiency problems.
Newer hardware tends to be more power efficient (if you choose wisely).
This means that newer hardware can "pay" for itself via energy savings
alone. Less power consumed, less heat. If you have an abund
In case anyone is wondering IBM offers free POWER VPS's for developers
porting their stuff to POWER.
There is also the IntegriCloud company (aka raptor) which has OpenPOWER9
TALOS 2 VPS's that feature their interesting open source owner
controlled measured launch hardware/software called FlexV
That PowerPC laptop project is never going to happen because they have
no money for it and it shouldn't happen because PowerPC is old and dead
- the new hotness is POWER and making a POWER laptop is entirely
achievable you can downclock one of the (4 threads/core) SMT4 4 core
CPU's to a mobile
Le 13/03/2018 à 02:29, Steve Litt a écrit :
On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 17:37:56 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting Luciano Mannucci (luci...@vespaperitivo.it):
Hmm, I guess that a couple of virtual machines under KVM/Qemu on an
IBM S802L Power8 are'nt enough... (I could provide them :)
I have an old G4
Le 13/03/2018 à 07:46, taii...@gmx.com a écrit :
That PowerPC laptop project is never going to happen because they have
no money for it and it shouldn't happen because PowerPC is old and
dead - the new hotness is POWER and making a POWER laptop is entirely
achievable you can downclock one of th
From: Didier Kryn
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 5:03 AM
Subject: Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware
Le 13/03/2018 à 07:46, taii...@gmx.com a écrit :
> That PowerPC laptop project is never going to happen because they have
> no money for it and it sho
On 03/19/2018 12:24 AM, Daniel Reurich wrote:
They're all thru-hole and can be done with a fine tipped soldering iron and
cheap plunger type solder sucker..☺
Or a solder braid :0
I fixed a screen with bad caps by replacing all the broken ones with
brand new long life high quality japanese ca
On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 05:24:26PM +1300, Daniel Reurich wrote:
> They're all thru-hole and can be done with a fine tipped soldering iron and
> cheap plunger type solder sucker..☺
As someone with a fair amount of experience of soldering, I must say
that you have been lucky with exceptonal thermal
On Mon, 19 Mar 2018 14:11:53 +
ael wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 05:24:26PM +1300, Daniel Reurich wrote:
> > They're all thru-hole and can be done with a fine tipped soldering
> > iron and cheap plunger type solder sucker..☺
>
> As someone with a fair amount of experience of soldering,
On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 11:19:02AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2018 14:11:53 +
> ael wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 05:24:26PM +1300, Daniel Reurich wrote:
> > > They're all thru-hole and can be done with a fine tipped soldering
> > > iron and cheap plunger type solder suc
Dear Jaromil.
Jaromil - 11.03.18, 09:10:
> 3- They produce new hardware instead of recycling existing one,
>something I do not like for many enviromental reasons.
Rant ahead, but hopefully still a somewhat constructive one:
I am actually thinking along this line and instead of ordering a new
thanks Martin for sharing your experience! your liberating "rant"
comes with some useful insights and a good call I also share
FWIW, what we do at Dyne (thanks to Parazyd who is leading this
activity) is use x220 and x230 refurbished models we buy from another
non-profit foundation in the Netherl
IMHO..
Since it's a niche area, the cost of freedom on PC hardware is just too high.
I think low cost SBC's which have less issues ought to get more attention than
they do. Some of these boards can already run on only free software and in some
cases users will only miss out on 3d graphics accel
On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 10:07:57 +0100
Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> I do follow the Linux PPC laptop project¹, and it would probably be wise to
> give some money to them. But they also currently use a closed hardware design.
>
> [1] https://www.powerpc-notebook.org/
Are there plans to port Devuan t
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 12:34:19PM +0100, Luciano Mannucci wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 10:07:57 +0100
> Martin Steigerwald wrote:
>
> > I do follow the Linux PPC laptop project¹, and it would probably be wise to
> > give some money to them. But they also currently use a closed hardware
> > des
On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 11:46:13 +
KatolaZ wrote:
> the main issue is that we basically have no PPC build hosts
> available. If we had (and if there is a bunch of users interested in
> testing that stuff out), we could definitely provide PPC support.
Hmm, I guess that a couple of virtual machines
Quoting Luciano Mannucci (luci...@vespaperitivo.it):
> Hmm, I guess that a couple of virtual machines under KVM/Qemu on an
> IBM S802L Power8 are'nt enough... (I could provide them :)
> I have an old G4 MacBook that I should check to see if it is still
> working...
I have an antique G3 Macbook,
Correcting:
> I have an antique G3 Macbook, so I'm one up on you, there. ;-> It
> still functions, for long-ago values of 'function'.
Technically, it's a G3 _iBook_. I'm unclear off the top of my head,
especially after so many years, whether any machine was called 'Macbook'
back in the Pleisto
On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 17:37:56 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Luciano Mannucci (luci...@vespaperitivo.it):
>
> > Hmm, I guess that a couple of virtual machines under KVM/Qemu on an
> > IBM S802L Power8 are'nt enough... (I could provide them :)
> > I have an old G4 MacBook that I should check to
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
> There are a couple kinds of specialty hardware:
>
> 1) Antiquated stuff
>
> 2) Newish stuff that just might make it
Granted, and a fair point. So, I'll clarify that for my own present
discussion, I've been talking entirely, exclusively about ca
On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 17:37:56 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
> Personally, I think it makes a lot more sense to let this stuff go.
> IMO, Devuan has enough to handle without delving into specialty hardware.
Well, Yes you're right on the G3 (Mine is running freebsd; I use it as
a tty for telnet && ssh :).
On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 22:32:34 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
> Exemplars of antiquated designs, being both physically very old and
> (typically) no longer in stock hardly anywhere, are fragile and can be
> expected to have very limited and unpredictable remaining service
> life. As they (inevitably) deve
On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 02:02:16 -0400
Steve Litt wrote:
> In other words, these are now museum pieces, not computers. Use them
> with their original software to do what they did so well back in the
> day. Drive em around on Sunday afternoon and show them off, but leave
> the real computers to comput
On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 05:05:30PM +1100, terryc wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 02:02:16 -0400
> Steve Litt wrote:
>
> > In other words, these are now museum pieces, not computers. Use them
> > with their original software to do what they did so well back in the
> > day. Drive em around on Sunday a
On 16.03.18 21:23, Joel Roth wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 05:05:30PM +1100, terryc wrote:
> > Gak, they are the reliable ones.
> > Everything later only lasts for a few years and you have to buy another
> > round of hardware.
>
> Often hardware is discarded due to failed electrolytic capacitor
On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 21:23:15 -1000
Joel Roth wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 05:05:30PM +1100, terryc wrote:
> > On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 02:02:16 -0400
> > Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> > > In other words, these are now museum pieces, not computers. Use
> > > them with their original software to do wh
They're all thru-hole and can be done with a fine tipped soldering iron and
cheap plunger type solder sucker..☺
On 19 March 2018 5:20:58 PM NZDT, Steve Litt wrote:
>On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 21:23:15 -1000
>Joel Roth wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 05:05:30PM +1100, terryc wrote:
>> > On Thu, 15
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