On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:44:01 +0200, Jaromil wrote in message
<20160712114401.GA27051@reflex>:
> On Fri, 08 Jul 2016, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > ..this clearly is where we could have used a http://groklaw.net/
> > style website.
>
> Groklaw was great not because of the website, but because of the
>
On Fri, 08 Jul 2016, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> ..this clearly is where we could have used a http://groklaw.net/
> style website.
Groklaw was great not because of the website, but because of the
editorial work PJ put into it and because of the community it
gathered. the infrastructure can be minimal,
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:00:55 -0400
Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 12:33:43PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> > I don't use Slackware because their package manager won't figure out
> > dependencies for me, causing me to need 10x the time to install some
> > things (and I install a l
Am Montag, 11. Juli 2016 schrieb emnin...@riseup.net:
> 1] I remember a novel of H. P. Lovecraft where there is a monster,
> which, once it'll be awaken it would engulf all the world. I believe to
> remember its name was jabbawagga, but it's only a vague memory ... ;)
Cthulhu :-)
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Please do
Hi Arnt!
Am Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:07:56 +
schrieb Arnt Karlsen :
> >
> > I don't use Slackware because their package manager won't figure out
> > dependencies for me, causing me to need 10x the time to install some
> > things (and I install a lot of stuff --- did I ever mention I write
> > boo
On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 12:33:43PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> I don't use Slackware because their package manager won't figure out
> dependencies for me, causing me to need 10x the time to install some
> things (and I install a lot of stuff --- did I ever mention I write
> books for a living?).
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 20:32:04 +0200
Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:33:43 -0400, Steve wrote in message
> <20160711123343.5c936...@mydesk.domain.cxm>:
>
> > On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:00:02 +0200
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Am Sun, 10 Jul 2016 08:47:57 +
> > > schrieb Joel Roth :
> > >
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:33:43 -0400, Steve wrote in message
<20160711123343.5c936...@mydesk.domain.cxm>:
> On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:00:02 +0200
> wrote:
>
> > Am Sun, 10 Jul 2016 08:47:57 +
> > schrieb Joel Roth :
> >
> > > What's your experience with slackware and its
> > > dependency/packag
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:00:02 +0200
wrote:
> Am Sun, 10 Jul 2016 08:47:57 +
> schrieb Joel Roth :
>
> > What's your experience with slackware and its
> > dependency/packaging system?
>
> Generally, i like it. It has way less dependencies compared to debian.
> And in the end it's quite well
Am Sun, 10 Jul 2016 08:47:57 +
schrieb Joel Roth :
> What's your experience with slackware and its
> dependency/packaging system?
Generally, i like it. It has way less dependencies compared to debian.
And in the end it's quite well manageable. Only, it's really so slow as
for developping ...
emnin...@riseup.net wrote:
> Am Sat, 09 Jul 2016 08:54:31 +
> schrieb Steve Litt :
>
> > No seriously, a lot of developers aren't jumping on the bandwagon.
> > Witness Samba retaining their --without-systemd compile flag. Observe
> > Funtoo and Void both saying "systemd never!" Alpine forgot t
Am Sat, 09 Jul 2016 08:54:31 +
schrieb Steve Litt :
> No seriously, a lot of developers aren't jumping on the bandwagon.
> Witness Samba retaining their --without-systemd compile flag. Observe
> Funtoo and Void both saying "systemd never!" Alpine forgot to switch
> to systemd, as did quite a f
On Fri, 8 Jul 2016 12:27:24 -0400, Steve wrote in message
<20160708122724.51ece...@mydesk.domain.cxm>:
> On Fri, 8 Jul 2016 16:34:27 +0900
> Simon Walter wrote:
>
> > Absolutely. Lennart's attitude of "it's free, so don't complain"
>
> I'm going to go to the lake nearest Lennart's house, and
On Fri, 8 Jul 2016 21:40:03 +0900
Simon Walter wrote:
> Totally agree and am very thankful for the community, but so far,
> everyone that I know of, except for this group here, has bowed to
> Lennart's (and Red Hat's) "amazing wisdom."
>
> The image I get from the web is that most developers a
On Fri, 8 Jul 2016 16:34:27 +0900
Simon Walter wrote:
> Absolutely. Lennart's attitude of "it's free, so don't complain"
I'm going to go to the lake nearest Lennart's house, and dump a ton of
mercury into it. When he complains, I'll say "it's free, so don't
complain".
SteveT
Steve Litt
Jul
On Fri, 8 Jul 2016 02:14:44 +0200
wrote:
> Am Thu, 07 Jul 2016 12:00:02 +
> schrieb Steve Litt :
>
> Hi Steve!
>
> > The whole systemd thing is one big propaganda war. It's not about
> > tech. Saying systemd is about tech is like saying a Molotov Cocktail
> > is about building construction
On 07/08/2016 05:01 PM, KatolaZ wrote:
On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 04:34:27PM +0900, Simon Walter wrote:
On 07/08/2016 09:23 AM, Hughe Chung wrote:
Who was the organizer of the conference? How they allowed frequent
interruption by the idiot during the presentation?
It was a real video footage.
On Fri, 8 Jul 2016 16:34:27 +0900, Simon wrote in message
<577f5783.8050...@gikaku.com>:
> On 07/08/2016 09:23 AM, Hughe Chung wrote:
> >
> > Who was the organizer of the conference? How they allowed frequent
> > interruption by the idiot during the presentation?
> >
> > It was a real video foota
On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 04:34:27PM +0900, Simon Walter wrote:
> On 07/08/2016 09:23 AM, Hughe Chung wrote:
> >
> >Who was the organizer of the conference? How they allowed frequent
> >interruption by the idiot during the presentation?
> >
> >It was a real video footage. A drunken idiot went to the
On 07/08/2016 09:23 AM, Hughe Chung wrote:
Who was the organizer of the conference? How they allowed frequent
interruption by the idiot during the presentation?
It was a real video footage. A drunken idiot went to the stage at the
end of presentation carrying a bear bottle on one hand.
I poste
Who was the organizer of the conference? How they allowed frequent
interruption by the idiot during the presentation?
It was a real video footage. A drunken idiot went to the stage at the
end of presentation carrying a bear bottle on one hand.
I posted the video link to other FOSS forum.
A
Am Thu, 07 Jul 2016 12:00:02 +
schrieb Steve Litt :
Hi Steve!
> The whole systemd thing is one big propaganda war. It's not about
> tech. Saying systemd is about tech is like saying a Molotov Cocktail
> is about building construction.
>
> Anyway, this video is one of the best weapons our si
On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 01:48:51 +0200
aitor_czr wrote:
> On 07/05/2016 10:23 PM, wrote:
> > I'd have wished to the guy from the university of Munich a bit more
> > agressivity against the hooligan.
>
> Yes..., the attitude of the speaker is admirable :)
"Do you know what shellscripts are?"
Pric
On 07/05/2016 10:23 PM, wrote:
I'd have wished to the guy from the university of Munich a bit more
agressivity against the hooligan.
Yes..., the attitude of the speaker is admirable :)
Aitor.
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On Tue, 5 Jul 2016 17:48:29 +0200
wrote:
> Am Tue, 05 Jul 2016 10:21:29 +
> schrieb dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org:
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfKGXQnxIvE&list=PLV5TRjrpiwATav0Dlhd_GRjc2ZRuV26kR
> > >
> I didn't realize this: It's heart breaking :-( .
>
> An arrogant asshol
Am Tue, 05 Jul 2016 10:21:29 +
schrieb dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org:
> On 20.02.2016 01:02, aitor_czr wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Did you watch the following video?
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfKGXQnxIvE&list=PLV5TRjrpiwATav0Dlhd_GRjc2ZRuV26kR
> >
>
> yeah, that incident of Len
On Tue, 5 Jul 2016 11:23:23 +0200, metux IT consult wrote in message
<577b7c8b.2070...@gr13.net>:
> On 20.02.2016 01:02, aitor_czr wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Did you watch the following video?
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfKGXQnxIvE&list=PLV5TRjrpiwATav0Dlhd_GRjc2ZRuV26kR
>
> yeah,
On 05.07.2016 11:48, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote:
> On 20.02.2016 20:56, Edward Bartolo wrote:
>
>> I think systemd is aimed at desktop users assuming that most Linux
>> users are also desktop users. It is also aiming at
>> unifying/streamlining Linux base commands so that users from di
On 20.02.2016 20:56, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> I think systemd is aimed at desktop users assuming that most Linux
> users are also desktop users. It is also aiming at
> unifying/streamlining Linux base commands so that users from different
> flavours of Linux (aka distributions) use the same command
On 20.02.2016 01:02, aitor_czr wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Did you watch the following video?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfKGXQnxIvE&list=PLV5TRjrpiwATav0Dlhd_GRjc2ZRuV26kR
yeah, that incident of Lennart's hate speech is pretty well known
(at least over here in Germany).
actually, I already u
On Mon, Mar 07, 2016 at 12:21:00PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Mar 2016 17:16:32 +0400
> anon.ud...@subscribed.udmvt.ru wrote:
>
> I'd think twice before phrasing this as an age issue (the way
> PoetterPoser does). I've seen photos of (vdev creator) Jude Nelson,
> and he doesn't look like
Steve Litt wrote:
> Why this is important is that, to the extent this is perceived as an
> age thing (with the must-have pejorative "neckbeard" or "graybeard"),
> you give PoetterPoser more credibility when he characterizes systemd
> resistance as "you can't teach an old dog new tricks."
Indeed,
On Mon, 7 Mar 2016 17:16:32 +0400
anon.ud...@subscribed.udmvt.ru wrote:
> For example, my friends are split:
> the older generations are looking for a viable alternative for a
> migration, or have already migrated (FreeBSD, yes) their desktops and
> servers, the young generation can't comprehend
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 02:38:56PM +, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 03:22:27PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
> >
> > Katolaz, don't you recall how many times we've read about "The
> > year of the Linux Desktop", which never happened? And don't you
> > remember Gnome 3
Nice quote.
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Hendrik Boom
wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 06:04:11PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> > Steve Litt writes:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > Over a year ago, on my systemd debating page, I wrote a section on
> > > debating Poettering himself, and that secti
On 22/02/16 22:52, Simon Hobson wrote:
But then I still have Squeeze and Lenny systems running (they aren't broken
...) - don't think I have anything older than that !
I just bumped up against a problem with a squeeze system. It's ppc, and
everyone has dropped the non-x86/x64 archives. That
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 06:04:11PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> Steve Litt writes:
>
> [...]
>
> > Over a year ago, on my systemd debating page, I wrote a section on
> > debating Poettering himself, and that section refers heavily to the
> > video you mention:
> >
> > http://troubleshooters.c
Steve Litt writes:
[...]
> Over a year ago, on my systemd debating page, I wrote a section on
> debating Poettering himself, and that section refers heavily to the
> video you mention:
>
> http://troubleshooters.com/linux/systemd/debating.htm#debating_poettering
Hmm ... the way to debate people
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 14:52:12 +, Simon wrote in message
<74d53005-88bb-489e-acdf-7619c26b3...@thehobsons.co.uk>:
> KatolaZ wrote:
>
> > The vast majority of people I know who work with Linux
> > servers are doing the best they can to keep old Wheezy intallations,
> > and those who can't are
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 02:52:12PM +, Simon Hobson wrote:
> KatolaZ wrote:
>
> > The vast majority of people I know who work with Linux
> > servers are doing the best they can to keep old Wheezy intallations,
> > and those who can't are switching to something else (either Devuan, or
> > other
KatolaZ wrote:
> The vast majority of people I know who work with Linux
> servers are doing the best they can to keep old Wheezy intallations,
> and those who can't are switching to something else (either Devuan, or
> other systemd-free distros, or FreeBSD).
>
> I admit that my (very restricted)
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 03:22:27PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
[cut]
>
> Katolaz, don't you recall how many times we've read about "The
> year of the Linux Desktop", which never happened? And don't you
> remember Gnome 3 made the desktop look like a tablet?
>
Yes, I do remember very well. Th
Le 22/02/2016 15:38, KatolaZ a écrit :
The vast majority of people I know who work with Linux
servers are doing the best they can to keep old Wheezy intallations,
and those who can't are switching to something else (either Devuan, or
other systemd-free distros, or FreeBSD).
That's very good
Le 22/02/2016 13:52, Arnt Gulbrandsen a écrit :
kato...@freaknet.org writes:
Well, if GNOME, KDE, and freedesktop guys are still convinced that
they have any chance to scratch the shares of Android and iOS on
mobles, then they might have somehow lost contact with reality. This
is why all the sys
kato...@freaknet.org writes:
Well, if GNOME, KDE, and freedesktop guys are still convinced that
they have any chance to scratch the shares of Android and iOS on
mobles, then they might have somehow lost contact with reality. This
is why all the systemd-fuss looks incredibly stupid to my ignorant
On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 12:56:11PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 20/02/2016 21:58, Mitt Green a écrit :
> > Edward Bartolo wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>I think systemd is aimed at desktop users assuming that most
> >>>Linux users are also desktop users.
> >LOL, since when most Linux users are desktop u
Didier Kryn writes:
> Le 20/02/2016 03:47, Emiliano Marini a écrit :
>> Maybe he's right, it's software libre. He isn't forcing anyone to
>> adopt systemd, it's distribution developers fault. If Gnome forces a
>> dependency upon systemd, dump Gnome.
>
> He's just shamelessly lying. He makes ev
Hi,
I am not a systemd supporter, what I am, is someone who wants
GNU/Linux to retain its flexibility. Systemd's aim appears to be that
of limiting differences between Linux machines to a minimum. Such a
minimum would not exist with users having the freedom to manage and
set up their Linux OS the
Le 20/02/2016 21:58, Mitt Green a écrit :
Edward Bartolo wrote:
>I think systemd is aimed at desktop users assuming that most
>Linux users are also desktop users.
LOL, since when most Linux users are desktop users?
Linux market share on desktop is around 1-2%, while on
servers open-sourc
On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 01:02:28 +0100
aitor_czr wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Did you watch the following video?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfKGXQnxIvE&list=PLV5TRjrpiwATav0Dlhd_GRjc2ZRuV26kR
>
> A conference by a system administrator interrupted by Lennart
> Poettering (at the end of that).
Ait
On 02/20/2016 02:56 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I will add my two cents to the stream of comments.
>
> I think systemd is aimed at desktop users assuming that most Linux
> users are also desktop users. It is also aiming at
> unifying/streamlining Linux base commands so that users from diffe
On 21/02/16 07:58, Mitt Green wrote:
Edward Bartolo wrote:
I think systemd is aimed at desktop users assuming that most
Linux users are also desktop users.
LOL, since when most Linux users are desktop users?
Linux market share on desktop is around 1-2%, while on
servers open-source op
Edward Bartolo wrote:
>I think systemd is aimed at desktop users assuming that most
>Linux users are also desktop users.
LOL, since when most Linux users are desktop users?
Linux market share on desktop is around 1-2%, while on
servers open-source operating systems maintain around 90%
(cou
Hi,
I will add my two cents to the stream of comments.
I think systemd is aimed at desktop users assuming that most Linux
users are also desktop users. It is also aiming at
unifying/streamlining Linux base commands so that users from different
flavours of Linux (aka distributions) use the same co
* On 2016 20 Feb 01:17 -0600, dev1fanboy wrote:
> Seen this before, I think he is a little gullible in this presentation
> to believe there would be a reasonable back and forth and allows a
> dialogue to take place during his presentation.
The video is about 2 1/2 years old. People could be forgi
Le 20/02/2016 03:47, Emiliano Marini a écrit :
Maybe he's right, it's software libre. He isn't forcing anyone to
adopt systemd, it's distribution developers fault. If Gnome forces a
dependency upon systemd, dump Gnome.
He's just shamelessly lying. He makes everything possible to force
sys
Emiliano Marini wrote:
>He isn't forcing anyone to adopt systemd, it's distribution
>developers fault.
He himself isn't, the company he works at does.
We don't know the relationship between TC of Debian
and RH.
>If Gnome forces a dependency upon systemd, dump
>Gnome.
It doesn't really force
Not altogether true, but users can and should jump ship immediately when these
things happen (assuming they're not happy with it).
Cheers,
chillfan
On Saturday, February 20, 2016 2:47 AM, Emiliano Marini
wrote:
> Maybe he's right, it's software libre. He isn't forcing anyone to adopt
> system
Seen this before, I think he is a little gullible in this presentation to
believe there would be a reasonable back and forth and allows a dialogue to
take place during his presentation. So he really shouldn't have allowed a
debate until the end, but he had made some good points here I thought.
Maybe he's right, it's software libre. He isn't forcing anyone to adopt
systemd, it's distribution developers fault. If Gnome forces a dependency
upon systemd, dump Gnome. If you don wan't to sacrifice (name any piece of
crap forcing a systemd dependency), it's your fault.
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at
Hi all,
Did you watch the following video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfKGXQnxIvE&list=PLV5TRjrpiwATav0Dlhd_GRjc2ZRuV26kR
A conference by a system administrator interrupted by Lennart Poettering
(at the end of that).
Cheers,
Aitor.
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