Re: [Dng] TPM

2015-01-23 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 10:34:25PM +0100, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Am Dienstag, 23. Dezember 2014 schrieb John Morris: > > > > And yes, putting the thing in hardware does enhance security in ways > > software alone simply can't. > > > > … and if you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.

Re: [Dng] TPM

2015-01-22 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Am Dienstag, 23. Dezember 2014 schrieb John Morris: > On Mon, 2014-12-22 at 17:23 -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote: > > > What can it do in the right? Nothing that can't be done without the TPM > > chip. One of the first things that you learn in computer engineering is > > that anything problem can be

Re: [Dng] TPM

2014-12-23 Thread Tor Myklebust
On Tue, 23 Dec 2014, Joe Awni wrote: Instead of rehashing nightmare scenarios, id like to invite you into my day-dream: Devuan makes headlines news as the first OS to use a TPM to prevent the installation of any DRM software or any software that does not respect the user's freedoms. That would

Re: [Dng] TPM

2014-12-23 Thread Joe Awni
And now you know why i did not want to be the one to explain TPM, because i often make little mistakes, such as typo. Or, for example, quoting only half of a sentence as Jaromil points out. Or assuming that, like myself, the readers of this list have spent a life-time studying operating systems' d

Re: [Dng] TPM

2014-12-23 Thread T.J. Duchene
On 12/23/2014 3:35 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: And yes, putting the thing in hardware does enhance security in ways software alone simply can't. … and if you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you. Nik Be nice. =) John may not have had training in hardware that you have had. You're b

Re: [Dng] TPM

2014-12-23 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Am Dienstag, 23. Dezember 2014 schrieb John Morris: > On Mon, 2014-12-22 at 17:23 -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote: > > > What can it do in the right? Nothing that can't be done without the TPM > > chip. One of the first things that you learn in computer engineering is > > that anything problem can be

Re: [Dng] TPM

2014-12-23 Thread John Morris
On Mon, 2014-12-22 at 17:23 -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote: > What can it do in the right? Nothing that can't be done without the TPM > chip. One of the first things that you learn in computer engineering is > that anything problem can be solved on software or hardware. The only > difference is a

Re: [Dng] TPM

2014-12-23 Thread Jaromil
dear Joe, thanks for your input Disclaimer: I'm biased towards software implementations in general, even when it comes to computer graphics or desktop accelleration FWIW. Because I see hardware as inherently limiting freedom unless carefully designed for opennes - and as of today there is much t

Re: [Dng] TPM

2014-12-23 Thread Joe Awni
I didn't want to go down this thread, but i feel compelled to respond to the non-sense and hysteria surrounding TPM. As i said before, they are stuffing your open mind with rubbage. TPM is not part of Ethernet. Perhaps it's been mistaken for IPMI / BMC ( which btw does have known holes ["so if you

Re: [Dng] TPM

2014-12-23 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Am Dienstag, 23. Dezember 2014 schrieb Joe Awni: > [...] > Although i stated in my previous message that i did not want to explain. > However, i see that w/o my explanation the insanity of a fun house of > mirrors plus an echo chamber would prevail. (you know how it is: `DRM bad ∴ > TPM bad`) There

Re: [Dng] TPM

2014-12-22 Thread Joe Awni
Not wanting to be a TPM promoter or mailing-list-linguist, but i see even more problems with the writings on TPM here: I see rhetorical questions used fold uninformed opinations into an invagination of ignorance on this mailing list. ( ie: "What can it do in the right? Nothing...") Also, I see an

Re: [Dng] TPM

2014-12-22 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 05:23:30PM -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote: > > On 12/22/2014 3:44 PM, Joe Awni wrote: > > > > > >IMO, the amplitude of potential TPM-nightmare scenarios should give a clue > >about the strength of the technology. > >IE: If it can do that in the "wrong-hands," what can it do in t

Re: [Dng] TPM

2014-12-22 Thread T.J. Duchene
On 12/22/2014 3:44 PM, Joe Awni wrote: IMO, the amplitude of potential TPM-nightmare scenarios should give a clue about the strength of the technology. IE: If it can do that in the "wrong-hands," what can it do in the right? Hi Joe! What can it do in the right? Nothing that can't be done

[Dng] TPM

2014-12-22 Thread Joe Awni
OK, at first i was a bit concerned that i would be off topic in the Packaging system thread, but i have read so much misinformed fear-mongering, that i decide to clear this up with it's own thread. First, let me be the first to say i am not the person to explain TPM technology or crypto primitives