Re: [dns-privacy] Deployment issues

2016-06-10 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Mon, Jun 06, 2016 at 09:35:42AM -0700, John Heidemann wrote a message of 53 lines which said: > Other well approaches are striping queries across multiple servers, > and adding "chaff" queries. (I'm not sure that those approaches > require standardization---they could be done by any intere

Re: [dns-privacy] Deployment issues

2016-06-10 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Fri, Jun 03, 2016 at 01:33:32PM -0400, Paul Wouters wrote a message of 40 lines which said: > You would chain various DNS caches together, so a query to one > populates them all. Cool idea. We could take inspiration from RFC 2186/2187. ___ dns-

Re: [dns-privacy] Deployment issues

2016-06-06 Thread John Heidemann
On Fri, 03 Jun 2016 10:26:50 -0700, "Christian Huitema" wrote: >On Thursday, June 2, 2016 3:50 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: >> >> On Thu, 2 Jun 2016, Hugo Maxwell Connery wrote: >> >> > so, lets get 8.8.8.8 running TLS DNS as a push. >> > >> > Hang on, they are a sruveillence/advertising business! N

Re: [dns-privacy] Deployment issues

2016-06-03 Thread Hugo Maxwell Connery
still need the recursive to auth encryption ... /Hugo From: Christian Huitema [huit...@huitema.net] Sent: Friday, 3 June 2016 19:26 To: 'Paul Wouters'; Hugo Maxwell Connery Cc: dns-privacy@ietf.org Subject: RE: [dns-privacy] Deployment issues On Thur

Re: [dns-privacy] Deployment issues

2016-06-03 Thread Paul Wouters
On Fri, 3 Jun 2016, Christian Huitema wrote: It still makes sense to reduce the number of people that can read your DNS requests, just like it makes sense to use https to google.com. Yes. And we have an interesting issue with the size of the service. In theory, anybody could set up a recursive

Re: [dns-privacy] Deployment issues

2016-06-03 Thread Christian Huitema
On Thursday, June 2, 2016 3:50 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: > > On Thu, 2 Jun 2016, Hugo Maxwell Connery wrote: > > > so, lets get 8.8.8.8 running TLS DNS as a push. > > > > Hang on, they are a sruveillence/advertising business! No problem, it > > is just they who can surveill. > > It still makes se

Re: [dns-privacy] Deployment issues

2016-06-03 Thread Tom Pusateri
> On Jun 2, 2016, at 6:50 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: > > On Thu, 2 Jun 2016, Hugo Maxwell Connery wrote: > >> so, lets get 8.8.8.8 running TLS DNS as a push. >> >> Hang on, they are a sruveillence/advertising business! No problem, >> it is just they who can surveill. > > It still makes sense to

Re: [dns-privacy] Deployment issues

2016-06-02 Thread Paul Wouters
On Thu, 2 Jun 2016, Hugo Maxwell Connery wrote: so, lets get 8.8.8.8 running TLS DNS as a push. Hang on, they are a sruveillence/advertising business! No problem, it is just they who can surveill. It still makes sense to reduce the number of people that can read your DNS requests, just like

Re: [dns-privacy] Deployment issues

2016-06-02 Thread Hugo Maxwell Connery
...@env.dtu.dk] Sent: Friday, 3 June 2016 00:01 To: Dan York; Robert Edmonds Cc: dns-privacy@ietf.org; Christian Huitema Subject: Re: [dns-privacy] Deployment issues Hi, I hope the WG will start looking at that "next step". There are resource issues with running TLS to auth servers. But, that

Re: [dns-privacy] Deployment issues

2016-06-02 Thread Hugo Maxwell Connery
go Connery From: dns-privacy [dns-privacy-boun...@ietf.org] on behalf of Dan York [y...@isoc.org] Sent: Thursday, 2 June 2016 20:39 To: Robert Edmonds Cc: dns-privacy@ietf.org; Christian Huitema Subject: Re: [dns-privacy] Deployment issues > On Jun 2, 2016, at 2:11 PM, R

Re: [dns-privacy] Deployment issues

2016-06-02 Thread Dan York
> On Jun 2, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Robert Edmonds wrote: > > Christian Huitema wrote: >> Is this part of DPRIVE's charter? > >"...but it may also later consider mechanisms that provide >confidentiality between Iterative Resolvers and Authoritative >Servers, or provide end-to-end confiden

Re: [dns-privacy] Deployment issues

2016-06-02 Thread Hugo Maxwell Connery
Hi, I tried to point this out at the beginning; encrypting connections to local caching resolvers without encrypting the auth resolver connection gives the same security as Tor Browser. But, something is better than nothing. Better for the world having the "I live in an anonymity set"

Re: [dns-privacy] Deployment issues

2016-06-02 Thread Robert Edmonds
Christian Huitema wrote: > Is this part of DPRIVE's charter? "...but it may also later consider mechanisms that provide confidentiality between Iterative Resolvers and Authoritative Servers, or provide end-to-end confidentiality of DNS transactions." -- Robert Edmonds __

[dns-privacy] Deployment issues

2016-06-02 Thread Christian Huitema
I have been pondering DNS Privacy issues for some times, and I read with interest a recent blog by Geoff Huston and Joao Luis Silva Damas (http://www.circleid.com/posts/20160526_the_path_to_dns_privacy/). Basically, we have two trends, somewhat conflicting. On one side, DPRIVE is standardizing an e