[DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc4641bis-11.txt

2012-04-13 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Domain Name System Operations Working Group of the IETF. Title : DNSSEC Operational Practices, Version 2 Author(s) : Olaf M. Kolkman

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc4641bis-11.txt

2012-04-13 Thread Matthijs Mekking
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 FYI: This version adopts the review items from Alfred and Marc. Best regards, Matthijs On 04/13/2012 09:11 AM, internet-dra...@ietf.org wrote: A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work

Re: [DNSOP] [as112-ops] Request to adopt draft-sotomayor-as112-ipv4-cull as WG item (fwd)

2012-04-13 Thread Aleksi Suhonen
Hello, Joe Abley wrote: I think that we need a better mechanism to avoid lame delegations to the AS112 servers, given their loosely-coordinated nature. I like the idea that came up in Québec (which I shall attribute to Warren Kumari since I've seen other people do that, although I was not in

Re: [DNSOP] on Negative Trust Anchors

2012-04-13 Thread Stephan Lagerholm
Mark Andrews, Thursday, April 12, 2012 11:43 PM: -Original Message- From: Mark Andrews [mailto:ma...@isc.org] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 11:43 PM To: Stephan Lagerholm Cc: Ralf Weber; Marc Lampo; Nicholas Weaver; dnsop@ietf.org; Livingood, Jason Subject: Re: [DNSOP] on Negative

Re: [DNSOP] on Negative Trust Anchors

2012-04-13 Thread Marc Lampo
Stephan, An interesting approach : if a parent removes DS information for a child, if it finds the child to be in error, then, can an attacker make the check fail (in order to get the DS removed) ? At least one thing : Unlike the Dan Kaminsky flavour of cache poisoning attach, there is no way

Re: [DNSOP] on Negative Trust Anchors

2012-04-13 Thread Doug Barton
Responding to a message at random ... I skimmed the draft, and with respect to the authors this is a terrible idea. DNSSEC is pointless if it's not used as designed. Providing an easy way to bypass validation makes many things worse instead of better ... not the least of which is that if an

Re: [DNSOP] on Negative Trust Anchors

2012-04-13 Thread Tony Finch
Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us wrote: Furthermore, the mechanism is not necessary, since if you somehow had knowledge that it was safe to use the data even if it doesn't validate you can temporarily set up a forward zone that points to a non-validating resolver. AFAIK that doesn't work in

Re: [DNSOP] on Negative Trust Anchors

2012-04-13 Thread Paul Vixie
the information economics of this draft are all wrong. with all possible respect for the comcast team who is actually validating signatures for 18 million subscribers and is therefore way ahead of the rest of the industry and is encountering the problems of pioneers... this is not supposed to be

Re: [DNSOP] on Negative Trust Anchors

2012-04-13 Thread Evan Hunt
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 05:43:42PM +, Paul Vixie wrote: i'm opposed to negative trust anchors, both for their security implications if there were secure applications in existence, and for their information economics implications. +1 -- Evan Hunt -- e...@isc.org Internet Systems

Re: [DNSOP] on Negative Trust Anchors

2012-04-13 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 13 apr 2012, at 22:09, Evan Hunt wrote: On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 05:43:42PM +, Paul Vixie wrote: i'm opposed to negative trust anchors, both for their security implications if there were secure applications in existence, and for their information economics implications. +1 +1

Re: [DNSOP] on Negative Trust Anchors

2012-04-13 Thread Nicholas Weaver
On Apr 13, 2012, at 1:24 PM, Patrik Fältström wrote: On 13 apr 2012, at 22:09, Evan Hunt wrote: On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 05:43:42PM +, Paul Vixie wrote: i'm opposed to negative trust anchors, both for their security implications if there were secure applications in existence, and for

Re: [DNSOP] on Negative Trust Anchors

2012-04-13 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 13 apr 2012, at 22:24, Patrik Fältström wrote: +1 In a private chat I am asked to explain my +1. Let me explain why. Today, before negative trust anchors, the responsibility for whether a the resolution that is basis for a connection establishment is with the zone owner. If the signature

Re: [DNSOP] on Negative Trust Anchors

2012-04-13 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 13 apr 2012, at 22:44, Nicholas Weaver wrote: Because practice has shown that it is the recursive resolver, not the authority, that gets blamed. As you saw in my mail, I completely disagree from my own personal experience. If I look at the number of failures, the number of cases where

Re: [DNSOP] on Negative Trust Anchors

2012-04-13 Thread Jaap Akkerhuis
... More pragmatically, while I understand the theory behind rejecting NTAs, I have to admit it feels a bit like the IETF rejecting NATs and/or DNS redirection. I would be surprised if folks who implement NTAs will stop using them if they are not accepted by

Re: [DNSOP] on Negative Trust Anchors

2012-04-13 Thread Mehmet Akcin
On Apr 13, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Patrik Fältström wrote: http://kommunermeddnssec.se/maps.php This is one of the coolest thing i have clicked in long time.. thanks for sharing mehmet ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org

Re: [DNSOP] on Negative Trust Anchors

2012-04-13 Thread David Conrad
On Apr 13, 2012, at 3:30 PM, Jaap Akkerhuis wrote: More pragmatically, while I understand the theory behind rejecting NTAs, I have to admit it feels a bit like the IETF rejecting NATs and/or DNS redirection. I would be surprised if folks who implement NTAs will stop using them if they are not