Re: [DNSOP] null mx, was Re: Masataka Ohta's 2004 draft...

2014-07-23 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <6bbec3af-4370-4f19-8e01-54f7646d8...@isdg.net>, Hector Santos write s: > > > On Jul 23, 2014, at 9:46 AM, Tony Finch wrote: > > > > Hector Santos wrote: > >> > >> What has been crossing my mind regarding this NULL MX setup, was the possi > ble > >> privacy issue with NULL MX root

Re: [DNSOP] Last Call: (A NULL MX Resource Record for Domains that Accept No Mail) to Proposed Standard

2014-07-23 Thread Mark Delany
In message <53cfbb29.7040...@chrysler.com>, Kevin Darcy writes: > Potentially dumb question: what does this "magic meaning" MX target > (".") offer, that a target resolving to a null address (0.0.0.0 and/or > ::0) does not? No protocol or code changes required. And just to be clear, nullmx as pr

Re: [DNSOP] Last Call: (A NULL MX Resource Record for Domains that Accept No Mail) to Proposed Standard

2014-07-23 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <53cfbb29.7040...@chrysler.com>, Kevin Darcy writes: > Potentially dumb question: what does this "magic meaning" MX target > (".") offer, that a target resolving to a null address (0.0.0.0 and/or > ::0) does not? No protocol or code changes required. > > The null address does, after

Re: [DNSOP] Last Call: (A NULL MX Resource Record for Domains that Accept No Mail) to Proposed Standard

2014-07-23 Thread Kevin Darcy
OK, fair enough. Just as long as we understand and properly record the design decision that was made here: I.e. we're more afraid of the negative consequences of software/OSes that don't treat null addresses reasonably (i.e. pointless/doomed retries, possible self-looping) than we are of the n

Re: [DNSOP] Masataka Ohta's 2004 draft...

2014-07-23 Thread Paul Vixie
David Conrad wrote: > Masataka, > > On Jul 23, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Masataka Ohta > wrote: >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dnsop-ohta-shared-root-server-03 >> In what context, did you mention it? > > I asked if the authors had compared their draft > (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lee-

Re: [DNSOP] Last Call: (A NULL MX Resource Record for Domains that Accept No Mail) to Proposed Standard

2014-07-23 Thread Tony Finch
Kevin Darcy wrote: > But if we're going to assign "magic meaning" to something, why not > assign "magic meaning" to the null address > *specifically*in*the*context*of*SMTP*message*delivery*strategy*, i.e. > auto-fail messages destined for the null address and never retry them? Because that will

Re: [DNSOP] null mx, was Re: Masataka Ohta's 2004 draft...

2014-07-23 Thread Hector Santos
> On Jul 23, 2014, at 9:46 AM, Tony Finch wrote: > > Hector Santos wrote: >> >> What has been crossing my mind regarding this NULL MX setup, was the possible >> privacy issue with NULL MX root domain "Traceability" aspect with legacy MTAs >> performing SMTP "Implicit MX" (No MX record, Fallbac

Re: [DNSOP] Masataka Ohta's 2004 draft...

2014-07-23 Thread Francis Dupont
In your previous mail you wrote: > Does "several thousands of queries per second during normal > operations" with TCP matter? => yes because it is at the limit current OSs can do on cheap stock hardware... Regards francis.dup...@fdupont.fr PS: I wrote OS because the first reached perf limit

Re: [DNSOP] Masataka Ohta's 2004 draft...

2014-07-23 Thread Masataka Ohta
Hector Santos wrote: > What has been crossing my mind regarding this NULL MX setup, was the > possible privacy issue with NULL MX root domain "Traceability" aspect > with legacy MTAs performing SMTP "Implicit MX" (No MX record, Fallback > to A record) logic. What will the A query IP resolved

Re: [DNSOP] Last Call: (A NULL MX Resource Record for Domains that Accept No Mail) to Proposed Standard

2014-07-23 Thread Kevin Darcy
Well OK, so it's a semi-dumb question. But if we're going to assign "magic meaning" to something, why not assign "magic meaning" to the null address *specifically*in*the*context*of*SMTP*message*delivery*strategy*, i.e. auto-fail messages destined for the null address and never retry them? To n

Re: [DNSOP] Masataka Ohta's 2004 draft...

2014-07-23 Thread Masataka Ohta
David Conrad wrote: > I asked if the authors had compared their draft > (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lee-dnsop-scalingroot-00) to yours. Hm, the draft inappropriately assumes having a lot of anycast addresses is better even though several ones are enough. But, the following statement i

Re: [DNSOP] Last Call: (A NULL MX Resource Record for Domains that Accept No Mail) to Proposed Standard

2014-07-23 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >Kevin Darcy wrote: > >> Potentially dumb question: what does this "magic meaning" MX target (".") >> offer, that a target resolving to a null address (0.0.0.0 and/or ::0) does >> not? No protocol or code changes required. > >A target of "." causes an immediate permanent fa

Re: [DNSOP] Last Call: (A NULL MX Resource Record for Domains that Accept No Mail) to Proposed Standard

2014-07-23 Thread Tony Finch
Kevin Darcy wrote: > Potentially dumb question: what does this "magic meaning" MX target (".") > offer, that a target resolving to a null address (0.0.0.0 and/or ::0) does > not? No protocol or code changes required. A target of "." causes an immediate permanent failure, whereas a tagret that re

[DNSOP] null mx, was Re: Masataka Ohta's 2004 draft...

2014-07-23 Thread Tony Finch
Hector Santos wrote: > > What has been crossing my mind regarding this NULL MX setup, was the possible > privacy issue with NULL MX root domain "Traceability" aspect with legacy MTAs > performing SMTP "Implicit MX" (No MX record, Fallback to A record) logic. > What will the A query IP resolved to

Re: [DNSOP] Last Call: (A NULL MX Resource Record for Domains that Accept No Mail) to Proposed Standard

2014-07-23 Thread Kevin Darcy
Potentially dumb question: what does this "magic meaning" MX target (".") offer, that a target resolving to a null address (0.0.0.0 and/or ::0) does not? No protocol or code changes required. The null address does, after all, mean "no service offered here". (Now, if only load-balancer vendors

Re: [DNSOP] Masataka Ohta's 2004 draft...

2014-07-23 Thread David Conrad
Hector, On Jul 23, 2014, at 8:37 AM, Hector Santos wrote: > Maybe a coincidence. The NULL MX specifications defines a NULL MX record > setup: I think this is unrelated. The context was in discussions relating to alternative mechanisms for obtaining root name service. Regards, -drc sig

Re: [DNSOP] Masataka Ohta's 2004 draft...

2014-07-23 Thread David Conrad
Masataka, On Jul 23, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Masataka Ohta wrote: > David Conrad wrote: >> Since I mentioned it and some folks said "where is it?": >> >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dnsop-ohta-shared-root-server-03 > > In what context, did you mention it? I asked if the authors had compar

Re: [DNSOP] Masataka Ohta's 2004 draft...

2014-07-23 Thread Hector Santos
On 7/23/2014 7:57 AM, Masataka Ohta wrote: David Conrad wrote: Since I mentioned it and some folks said "where is it?": http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dnsop-ohta-shared-root-server-03 In what context, did you mention it? Masataka Ohta

Re: [DNSOP] Masataka Ohta's 2004 draft...

2014-07-23 Thread Masataka Ohta
David Conrad wrote: > Since I mentioned it and some folks said "where is it?": > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dnsop-ohta-shared-root-server-03 In what context, did you mention it? Masataka Ohta _