Re: [DNSOP] Bi-weekly reminder of the documents for the WG

2014-10-30 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 12:04:50PM -0700, Paul Hoffman paul.hoff...@vpnc.org wrote a message of 14 lines which said: https://svn.tools.ietf.org/svn/wg/dnsop/doclist.html draft-bortzmeyer-dns-qname-minimisation is now draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation.

[DNSOP] comments on draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation

2014-10-30 Thread Rose, Scott
Read over the new DNSOP-titled version and have a couple of minor comments. Section 3 - 1st paragraph: I am not a lawyer, but have had to deal with them on occasion. qname minimization may or may not reduce legal responsibilities. Just because you can't do something doesn't always absolve

[DNSOP] Comments on draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-00.txt

2014-10-30 Thread Edward Lewis
Line # https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-00.txt 1 ##Network Working Group S. Bortzmeyer Should be DNSOP WG 7 ## DNS query name minimisation to improve privacy I suggest shortening the name to DNS Query

Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-livingood-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors-01.txt

2014-10-30 Thread Rose, Scott
On the subject of NTA's that should be there - Should there be text describing auto-adding of NTA's based on important domains (for the ISP/resolver's definition of important)? So that domains that are used by low level services don't fail that also aren't normally visible to end users?

Re: [DNSOP] Comments on draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-00.txt

2014-10-30 Thread Paul Vixie
the term query minimization appeals to me since each server, during iteration, sees the minimum substring of the qname needed. ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] Comments on draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-00.txt

2014-10-30 Thread Darcy Kevin (FCA)
Isn't doing the minimum necessary to get the job done pretty much the definition of optimization (or, for that matter, efficiency)? Minimize means, basically, only to make small; whereas optimization or efficiency means to reduce something, relative to something else, for a particular purpose

Re: [DNSOP] Comments on draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-00.txt

2014-10-30 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 01:35:28PM -0700, Paul Vixie wrote: the term query minimization appeals to me since each server, during iteration, sees the minimum substring of the qname needed. Ed's point is not wrong, however -- in one fairly natural meaning, the technique is actually query

Re: [DNSOP] Draft Reverse DNS in IPv6 for Internet Service Providers

2014-10-30 Thread Lee Howard
On 10/23/14 5:17 PM, Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote: In message d06e91ee.72e46%...@asgard.org, Lee Howard writes: From: Mwendwa Kivuva kiv...@transworldafrica.com Date: Thursday, October 23, 2014 7:23 AM To: dnsop dnsop@ietf.org Subject: [DNSOP] Draft Reverse DNS in IPv6 for

Re: [DNSOP] Draft Reverse DNS in IPv6 for Internet Service Providers

2014-10-30 Thread Doug Barton
Lee, I don't see any discussion in your draft about why rDNS is needed in this space. IME there are typically 2 uses cases: 1. Residential users, or more specifically, those who will not be/should not be running services on their addresses 2. Commercial users, who may be running things

Re: [DNSOP] Draft Reverse DNS in IPv6 for Internet Service Providers

2014-10-30 Thread Mark Andrews
In message d0782276.73d89%...@asgard.org, Lee Howard writes: On 10/23/14 5:17 PM, Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote: In message d06e91ee.72e46%...@asgard.org, Lee Howard writes: From: Mwendwa Kivuva kiv...@transworldafrica.com Date: Thursday, October 23, 2014 7:23 AM To:

Re: [DNSOP] Draft Reverse DNS in IPv6 for Internet Service Providers

2014-10-30 Thread Ted Lemon
On Oct 30, 2014, at 6:05 PM, Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us wrote: 1. Residential users, or more specifically, those who will not be/should not be running services on their addresses This is not a value judgment the IETF should be making. ___ DNSOP

Re: [DNSOP] Draft Reverse DNS in IPv6 for Internet Service Providers

2014-10-30 Thread Doug Barton
On 10/30/14 6:02 PM, Ted Lemon wrote: On Oct 30, 2014, at 6:05 PM, Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us wrote: 1. Residential users, or more specifically, those who will not be/should not be running services on their addresses This is not a value judgment the IETF should be making. Of course

Re: [DNSOP] Draft Reverse DNS in IPv6 for Internet Service Providers

2014-10-30 Thread Paul Vixie
Doug Barton mailto:do...@dougbarton.us Thursday, October 30, 2014 9:00 PM Of course not, but it is one that the ISP makes, and that distinction is useful to the anti-spam folks. IETF should not be making judgements as to what an ISP will value, because not all ISP's behave as you