Re: [DNSOP] Definition of validating resolver

2015-03-08 Thread Paul Wouters
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015, Paul Hoffman wrote: My personal interpretation is that validating resolver is a synonym for security-aware resolver. Do others agree? If not, how would you differentiate them? I agree :) Two other issues I noticed when trying to rewrite my draft to stick to terms in this

[DNSOP] Definition of validating resolver

2015-03-08 Thread Paul Hoffman
Greetings again. Paul Wouters noticed an inconsistency in the terminology draft, and upon investigation, I believe it is a problem (hopefully fixable) with the definitions in RFC 4033. RFC 4033 and 4035 use the term validating resolver in a few places. However, RFC 4033 never defines that. RFC

Re: [DNSOP] Definition of validating resolver

2015-03-08 Thread Ralf Weber
Moin! On Sun, Mar 08, 2015 at 12:21:49PM -0700, Paul Hoffman wrote: Greetings again. Paul Wouters noticed an inconsistency in the terminology draft, and upon investigation, I believe it is a problem (hopefully fixable) with the definitions in RFC 4033. RFC 4033 and 4035 use the term

Re: [DNSOP] DNS resolver should not use 'ANY' to get cached records for TTL (bugzilla)

2015-03-08 Thread Terry Manderson
Good folk, On 8/03/2015 4:15 am, Olafur Gudmundsson ola...@cloudflare.com wrote: Paul, Marek and I agree with you to expand the scope to include all meta types at Authoratitive servers. And address your other points as well, thanks for the support. Olafur I've been vacillating(*) on this

Re: [DNSOP] Suggestion for any - TCP only

2015-03-08 Thread Paul Vixie
Brian Dickson mailto:brian.peter.dick...@gmail.com Sunday, March 08, 2015 2:55 PM Hey, everyone, Given the diagnostic value of any (and similarly RRSIG et al), I would prefer deprecation of only the UDP version, via mechanisms that are dig-friendly. alas, in a post-snowden world, that's

Re: [DNSOP] Suggestion for any - TCP only

2015-03-08 Thread Paul Wouters
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015, Brian Dickson wrote: Given the diagnostic value of any (and similarly RRSIG et al), I would prefer deprecation of only the UDP version, via mechanisms that are dig-friendly. A better description would be to require source IP verification, so that eastlake-cookies are also

Re: [DNSOP] Suggestion for any - TCP only

2015-03-08 Thread Ralf Weber
Moin! On Sun, Mar 08, 2015 at 02:55:37PM -0700, Brian Dickson wrote: Hey, everyone, Given the diagnostic value of any (and similarly RRSIG et al), I would prefer deprecation of only the UDP version, via mechanisms that are dig-friendly. I still fail to see the diagnostic value of it. IMHO

Re: [DNSOP] More work for DNSOP :-)

2015-03-08 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Mar 8, 2015, at 6:23 PM, Olafur Gudmundsson o...@ogud.com wrote: There is a new version in the works, expect it late tomorrow (monday) It does not outlaw ANY per say, just says limit it to trusted parties. I tries to define that resolver treat NOTIMP as long term signal that resolver

Re: [DNSOP] Suggestion for any - TCP only

2015-03-08 Thread Paul Vixie
Paul Wouters wrote: On Sun, 8 Mar 2015, Brian Dickson wrote: Given the diagnostic value of any (and similarly RRSIG et al), I would prefer deprecation of only the UDP version, via mechanisms that are dig-friendly. A better description would be to require source IP verification, so that

Re: [DNSOP] Suggestion for any - TCP only

2015-03-08 Thread Paul Wouters
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015, Paul Vixie wrote: again, the next revision of olafur's document will remove all mention of amplification/reflection. that meme is dead. So why are we proposing to ACL the ANY queries again? If you put ANY queries under an ACL, it means you are limiting the ANY query

Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-ogud-dnsop-any-notimp-00.txt

2015-03-08 Thread Paul Vixie
Tony Finch wrote: On 6 Mar 2015, at 22:53, Paul Vixie p...@redbarn.org wrote: if you want to change how DNSSEC works, i'll listen. ... ... implementing RRSIG is as hard as implementing ANY with regard to the aspect that you have to use/look for more than one query type, which is different

[DNSOP] Suggestion for any - TCP only

2015-03-08 Thread Brian Dickson
Hey, everyone, Given the diagnostic value of any (and similarly RRSIG et al), I would prefer deprecation of only the UDP version, via mechanisms that are dig-friendly. E.g. return TC=1 (and minimal response) instead, to trigger TCP retry. It throws out the bath water, but keeps the baby. I am