Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Have some class?

2015-07-04 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 4 Jul 2015, at 1:56, manning wrote: So I -think- we are on the same page here, although I would replace your use of the phrase, “name space” with domain. We have empirical evidence of multiple domains using the same name space. (Fred Baker persuaded me that there is a single name space,

Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Have some class?

2015-07-04 Thread John Levine
I guess my question here is, what would prevent House Finch Feathers OY from applying for the DNS(IN) string ONION from ICANN because they want that as a TLD in the IN class? At the moment, nothing. Remember, we also have a draft about .HOME and .CORP and .MAIL. ICANN says they're not

Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Have some class?

2015-07-04 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 4 Jul 2015, at 8:31, John Levine wrote: I guess my question here is, what would prevent House Finch Feathers OY from applying for the DNS(IN) string ONION from ICANN because they want that as a TLD in the IN class? At the moment, nothing. Remember, we also have a draft about .HOME

Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Have some class?

2015-07-04 Thread Steve Crocker
See the end for something provocative. ICANN do say what strings in the name space should be TLDs. IETF do say what strings in the name space should NOT be TLDs. The rest are just strings waiting to end up in one of the two groups. Patrik Perfectly stated. There is really just one

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-tcp-keepalive-02.txt

2015-07-04 Thread Tim Wicinski
All I'm hoping to see some discussion on the mailing list on this, or we'll bring it up in Prague. This draft has been languishing that was resolved with some discussion, and it's time to either move it along or shut it down. tim On 7/3/15 10:26 AM, Ray Bellis wrote: This update to the

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-edns-tcp-keepalive-02.txt

2015-07-04 Thread P Vixie
I'll have extensive comments, mostly positive, after the weekend. On July 4, 2015 4:06:31 PM GMT+01:00, Tim Wicinski tjw.i...@gmail.com wrote: All I'm hoping to see some discussion on the mailing list on this, or we'll bring it up in Prague. This draft has been languishing that was resolved

Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Have some class?

2015-07-04 Thread Suzanne Woolf
(no hats) On Jul 4, 2015, at 3:12 AM, Patrik Fältström p...@frobbit.se wrote: Once again: ICANN do say what strings in the name space should be TLDs. IETF do say what strings in the name space should NOT be TLDs. In the interests of precision in our discussion: I’m not convinced that’s

Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Have some class?

2015-07-04 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 4 Jul 2015, at 18:29, Suzanne Woolf wrote: It seems to me, from long experience of both organizations, that ICANN says what names should and shouldn’t be in the DNS root zone— Well, I have never seen ICANN saying definite no to any string. ICANN only say no, this string is not to be ok in

Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Have some class?

2015-07-04 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 06:43:13AM -0700, manning wrote: Actually, there IS an escape method already defined. We just don’t use it much these days. It’s called “class” Classes don't work in the general case, because CNAME (and following it, DNAME) is class-independent. This is arguably a

Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Have some class?

2015-07-04 Thread John R Levine
Avoiding collisions between DNS and non-DNS use of domain names is probably important to us (to some degree that’s what we’re trying to decide). But I have thought, and continue to think, that we make a serious mistake if we regard it as our purpose to “say what strings in the name space