Re: [DNSOP] Heads-up - draft about "letting localhost be localhost" in SUNSET4 that really should be in DNSOP

2016-11-17 Thread Ted Lemon
(Actually, I think you can't have either!) On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 7:14 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: > Which do you want? TLSA, or delegation? You can't have both. > > On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 6:52 AM, Mark Andrews wrote: >> >> As I said on the sunset4 mailing list

Re: [DNSOP] Heads-up - draft about "letting localhost be localhost" in SUNSET4 that really should be in DNSOP

2016-11-17 Thread Ted Lemon
Which do you want? TLSA, or delegation? You can't have both. On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 6:52 AM, Mark Andrews wrote: > > As I said on the sunset4 mailing list this goes too far. > > I don't know about you but I want to be able to lookup TLSA records, > SRV and other records types

Re: [DNSOP] Heads-up - draft about "letting localhost be localhost" in SUNSET4 that really should be in DNSOP

2016-11-17 Thread Mark Andrews
As I said on the sunset4 mailing list this goes too far. I don't know about you but I want to be able to lookup TLSA records, SRV and other records types for foo.localhost and localhost. And by the way this also requires a insecure delegation in the root zone for DNSSEC to work with validating

Re: [DNSOP] [OT][rant-ish] Electronics & business models (was DNSSEC operational issues long term)

2016-11-17 Thread Philip Homburg
>For most electronics equipment (pre-IoT) once you sold it your job as a >manufacturer was basically done. You don't have to issue security >patches for the keyboard or firmware upgrades to the monitor because >the meaning of the wires in the VGA standard has changed out from under >it. > >With

Re: [DNSOP] special use names and unsecured delegation from the root

2016-11-17 Thread George Michaelson
I'm going to tick people off again, but noting there is a reason you want to do this, and you think its a justified reason, and you can argue a good case for putting it in a problem statement, it would be (IMH, Very H opinion) a really bad idea (tm) to give anyone a sense that .homenet is "just

Re: [DNSOP] DNSSEC operational issues long term

2016-11-17 Thread Tony Finch
Edward Lewis wrote: > > There's been a lot of research consideration of how shelved or otherwise > disconnected devices catch up. I recall 20 years ago this topic was > amongst the issues in the labs where I worked, the usual use case > involved submarines surfacing. One

Re: [DNSOP] special use names and unsecured delegation from the root

2016-11-17 Thread Ralph Droms
Ted, Suzanne - it might be helpful if the text can stand by itself, to post the text to the homenet and snoop WG mailing lists, in addition to adding i too the problem statement. - Ralph > On Nov 17, 2016, at 3:43 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: > > It's pretty clear that it needs to

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-nsec-aggressiveuse-06.txt

2016-11-17 Thread Warren Kumari
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 5:51 PM, Matthijs Mekking wrote: > Hi Ondřej, > > On 16-11-16 07:09, Ondřej Surý wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I read the document and I believe that the document goes to far >> to recommend the vendors how to implement the knobs in their >> software here:

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-nsec-aggressiveuse-06.txt

2016-11-17 Thread Warren Kumari
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Ondřej Surý wrote: > Hi, > > I read the document and I believe that the document goes to far > to recommend the vendors how to implement the knobs in their > software here: > >It is recommended that resolvers that implement Aggressive

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-nsec-aggressiveuse-06.txt

2016-11-17 Thread Ralph Dolmans
Hi, Maybe I'm missing something, but it is not clear to me whether this document (-06) allows generation of NODATA answers using matching NSEC records that do not have the QTYPE set in the type bitmap. I don't see it explicitly mentioned. The RFC4035 update in section 7 seems to allow it (or at

Re: [DNSOP] special use names and unsecured delegation from the root

2016-11-17 Thread Edward Lewis
A clarifying question: Given that there are 1518 delegations from the root zone, 1369 to zones owning a DNSKEY set, 1358 having a DS record (in the root zone), is DNSSEC a distinguishing factor in this regard? That is, no other name in the Special-Use Domain Name registry currently is

Re: [DNSOP] special use names and unsecured delegation from the root

2016-11-17 Thread Ted Lemon
It's pretty clear that it needs to be added. I will do so. On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 5:00 PM, Suzanne Woolf wrote: > Hi all, > > For those of you who were in the HOMENET WG meeting yesterday, you probably > noticed a controversy that’s developed around the proposed

[DNSOP] special use names and unsecured delegation from the root

2016-11-17 Thread Suzanne Woolf
Hi all, For those of you who were in the HOMENET WG meeting yesterday, you probably noticed a controversy that’s developed around the proposed .homenet special use name as the default for homenet naming: the working group is considering, among other things, whether its special use name needs