Re: [DNSOP] Heads-up - draft about "letting localhost be localhost" in SUNSET4 that really should be in DNSOP

2016-11-21 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <20161122112421.5acef...@pallas.home.time-travellers.org>, Shane Ker r writes: > Andrew, > > At 2016-11-21 12:16:41 -0500 > Andrew Sullivan wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 03:50:08PM +, Ray Bellis wrote: > > > As has been mentioned before, there's (currently) no process for th

Re: [DNSOP] Heads-up - draft about "letting localhost be localhost" in SUNSET4 that really should be in DNSOP

2016-11-21 Thread Shane Kerr
Andrew, At 2016-11-21 12:16:41 -0500 Andrew Sullivan wrote: > On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 03:50:08PM +, Ray Bellis wrote: > > As has been mentioned before, there's (currently) no process for this, > > but that doesn't mean we can't ask. The lack of process doesn't mean > > it's impossible. >

Re: [DNSOP] Heads-up - draft about "letting localhost be localhost" in SUNSET4 that really should be in DNSOP

2016-11-21 Thread Mark Andrews
In message , "John R Levine" wri tes: > > .localhost and .homenet don't have the escape to a different protocol > > and any error from the DNS will do for those not worried about a > > clean solution. These namespace are intended to be looked up in > > the DNS with local content. > > Well, maybe

Re: [DNSOP] Heads-up - draft about "letting localhost be localhost" in SUNSET4 that really should be in DNSOP

2016-11-21 Thread John R Levine
.localhost and .homenet don't have the escape to a different protocol and any error from the DNS will do for those not worried about a clean solution. These namespace are intended to be looked up in the DNS with local content. Well, maybe. On my computer, and on pretty much every computer runn

Re: [DNSOP] Heads-up - draft about "letting localhost be localhost" in SUNSET4 that really should be in DNSOP

2016-11-21 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <20161121180641.79893.qm...@ary.lan>, "John Levine" writes: > >> The point is that the current policy for the root precludes an > >> unsecure delegation. > > > >Huh? If by "insecure delegation" you mean "no DS record", then are are p > lenty such delegations right now: > > No, I think

Re: [DNSOP] Heads-up - draft about "letting localhost be localhost" in SUNSET4 that really should be in DNSOP

2016-11-21 Thread John Levine
>> The point is that the current policy for the root precludes an >> unsecure delegation. > >Huh? If by "insecure delegation" you mean "no DS record", then are are plenty >such delegations right now: No, I think the point is that you want the equivalent of an NSEC3 opt-out, but the root is curre

Re: [DNSOP] Heads-up - draft about "letting localhost be localhost" in SUNSET4 that really should be in DNSOP

2016-11-21 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 03:50:08PM +, Ray Bellis wrote: > As has been mentioned before, there's (currently) no process for this, > but that doesn't mean we can't ask. The lack of process doesn't mean > it's impossible. No question. As long as we recognise that we're asking another community

Re: [DNSOP] Heads-up - draft about "letting localhost be localhost" in SUNSET4 that really should be in DNSOP

2016-11-21 Thread Ray Bellis
On 21/11/2016 15:39, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > If by "we (the community)" you mean "the names community", then I > agree. That's the main point I've been trying to make: the decisions > about what to put _in the root zone_ (which includes delegation data > of special-use names) is, as near as I

Re: [DNSOP] Heads-up - draft about "letting localhost be localhost" in SUNSET4 that really should be in DNSOP

2016-11-21 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 10:31:12AM -0500, Matt Larson wrote: > That's an issue we (the community) would have to decide upon and document in > whatever document governed adding a hypothetical new TLD with an insecure > delegation. > If by "we (the community)" you mean "the names community", the

Re: [DNSOP] Heads-up - draft about "letting localhost be localhost" in SUNSET4 that really should be in DNSOP

2016-11-21 Thread Matt Larson
> On Nov 20, 2016, at 9:27 PM, Ted Lemon wrote: > > The point is that the current policy for the root precludes an > unsecure delegation. Huh? If by "insecure delegation" you mean "no DS record", then are are plenty such delegations right now: $ comm -23 tlds tlds_with_ds | wc -l 161 I

Re: [DNSOP] Heads-up - draft about "letting localhost be localhost" in SUNSET4 that really should be in DNSOP

2016-11-21 Thread Ted Lemon
On Nov 21, 2016, at 10:31 AM, Matt Larson wrote: > Personally, I think we'd better have a really good reason for adding a new > TLD without a requirement for DNSSEC. I further think that adding an > insecure delegation in the root for localhost to permit DNSSEC validation of > local names like