Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-maintain-ds-04.txt

2017-01-09 Thread Matthijs Mekking
I see that IESG has approved this document, but I am still wondering this: On 01-12-16 13:20, Matthijs Mekking wrote: Hi, I read this again. I still wonder if in the case of DNSSEC Delete Algorithm it wouldn't be easier to say: In case the DNSSEC algorithm is 0, the Digest/Public Key MUST be ig

Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-dns-rpz

2017-01-09 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 03:51:31PM +, Vernon Schryver wrote: > Note that the vast majority of clients of RPZ rewriting resolvers are > stubs that don't do validation So far, and at present, correct. Validating resolvers (unbound and the like) are seeing deployment on servers first, including

Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-dns-rpz

2017-01-09 Thread Vernon Schryver
> From: Philip Homburg > 1) If the traver's laptop/phone uses Heathrow Airport resolvers then Heathrow >4) DNS is not really private so Google may offer their DNS services over HTTPS > 5) Governments may force Google to block popular sites, so users switch to >other DNS resolvers, again over

Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-bellis-dnsop-xpf-01.txt

2017-01-09 Thread Mark Andrews
TSIG and SIG(0) (not yet covered by the draft) require reversable modifications of the message. I would be appending a new additional record (code TBA) and removing it which contains the addresses. I would not be modifying an existing OPT record. Nor would I be adding a new OPT record. Modifyi

Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-wkumari-dnsop-ttl-stretching-00.txt

2017-01-09 Thread Brian Hartvigsen
> > > NOTE: I believe that there may be (non-Google) IP associated with > > this. A lawyer will be filing the IPR disclosure later today (time > > zone differences, etc). > > The two approaches are somewhat different, and so at least one of them > may not be covered by this patent. > > Yup. The

Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-dns-rpz

2017-01-09 Thread 神明達哉
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 7:16 AM, tjw ietf wrote: > The draft is being present as "Informational", and the point here is to > document current working behavior in the DNS (for the past several years). > It is obvious that some feel this draft is a large mistake, but like > edns-client-subnet, more

Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-dns-rpz

2017-01-09 Thread Philip Homburg
>See the recent discovery that Heathrow Airport runs a >MITM TLS server on torproject.org. Do we want them to run RPZ where they >can disappear torproject.org alltogether? No. Do we want them to run RPZ >to prevent travelers from getting malware installed? Yes. Just my crystal ball: 1) If the trav

Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-dns-rpz

2017-01-09 Thread Ted Lemon
On Jan 9, 2017, at 10:51 AM, Vernon Schryver wrote: > Note that the vast majority of clients of RPZ rewriting resolvers are > stubs that don't do validation but trust header bits saying that a > resolver operated by a third party did the validation. I think that's > wrong, evil, nasty, unethical,

[DNSOP] Fwd: [Curdle] Protocol Action: 'EdDSA for DNSSEC' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-curdle-dnskey-eddsa-03.txt)

2017-01-09 Thread Ondřej Surý
Dear colleagues, the EDDSA for DNSSEC have been approved by IESG. Ondřej and Robert, co-editors --- Forwarded message --- From: The IESG Date: 9 January 2017 16:23:28 Subject: [Curdle] Protocol Action: 'EdDSA for DNSSEC' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-curdle-dnskey-eddsa-03.txt) To: IETF-

Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-dns-rpz

2017-01-09 Thread Vernon Schryver
> From: Ted Lemon > I think the main reason attackers won't sign = > is that it's too much trouble, and provides no real benefit in the = > presence of an effective RPZ block. Yes, but there is a reason more important than RPZ for miscreants to sign their attacks. It

[DNSOP] Protocol Action: 'Managing DS records from parent via CDS/CDNSKEY' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-dnsop-maintain-ds-04.txt)

2017-01-09 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Managing DS records from parent via CDS/CDNSKEY' (draft-ietf-dnsop-maintain-ds-04.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Domain Name System Operations Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Benoit Claise and Joel Jaegg

Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-dns-rpz

2017-01-09 Thread Ted Lemon
On Jan 9, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Paul Wouters wrote: > Apple is getting ready to drop port 80 support. unsigned/unencrypted > transports are dying. I hope we are moving to a word where DNS without > DNSSEC will also be seen as bad. So yes, I am assuming in the future, > attackers will have to sign DNS

Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-dns-rpz

2017-01-09 Thread Paul Wouters
On Mon, 9 Jan 2017, Ted Lemon wrote: On Jan 8, 2017, at 11:49 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: It is actually the other way around. If an end-node performs DNSSEC validation, it can only see RPZ modified answers as an attack. It is in the interest of RPZ to give such clients the confid

Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-dns-rpz

2017-01-09 Thread Ted Lemon
On Jan 8, 2017, at 11:49 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: > It is actually the other way around. If an end-node performs DNSSEC > validation, it can only see RPZ modified answers as an attack. It is > in the interest of RPZ to give such clients the confidence that the RPZ > produced answer is not an attack

[DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-bellis-dnsop-xpf-01.txt

2017-01-09 Thread Ray Bellis
I've submitted a -01 revision to address most of the feedback received so far. Ray Forwarded Message Subject: New Version Notification for draft-bellis-dnsop-xpf-01.txt Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2017 04:41:53 -0800 From: internet-dra...@ietf.org To: Ray Bellis A new version of I-D, d