Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & charter

2018-03-31 Thread Paul Vixie
Matthew Pounsett wrote: there's a carrier wave in that time series, which has its own wave form. at the end of each epoch, we'll be back where we are today, without a coherent or complete document set. we'd be moving from failing to plan, to planning to fail. let's make a better

Re: [DNSOP] On trust anchors, roots of trust, humans and indirection

2018-03-31 Thread Paul Vixie
Tony Finch wrote: Paul Vixie wrote: devices which cannot be updated by their makers must expire Definitely. I think the problem that most concerns me is the device that spends 3 or 6 months in a box between manufacturing and deployment, and which expects to do a software update when it is

Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & charter

2018-03-31 Thread Michael Casadevall
On 03/31/2018 07:34 PM, Mukund Sivaraman wrote: > All the clarifications RFCs such as NCACHE 2308, 2181, wildcards 4592, > etc. I'd also expect TSIG, AXFR, IXFR and UPDATE to get treatment in > "core" DNS in the same grouping as master files. > Just offhand, IPv6 stuff should be merged and cons

Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & charter

2018-03-31 Thread Mukund Sivaraman
On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 11:34:29PM +0200, bert hubert wrote: > On Sun, Apr 01, 2018 at 02:39:06AM +0530, Mukund Sivaraman wrote: > > Just a "guide to the RFCs" won't be sufficient. Language has to be > > corrected; large parts of RFC 1034 and 1035 have to be rewritten and > > restructured, incorpor

Re: [DNSOP] On trust anchors, roots of trust, humans and indirection

2018-03-31 Thread Tony Finch
Paul Vixie wrote: > > devices which cannot be updated by their makers must expire Definitely. I think the problem that most concerns me is the device that spends 3 or 6 months in a box between manufacturing and deployment, and which expects to do a software update when it is plugged in, but ther

Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & charter

2018-03-31 Thread Matthew Pounsett
On 31 March 2018 at 17:27, Paul Vixie wrote: > > >> >> I think the RFC series as a whole needs to contain both, but I'm not >> saying that both should exist simultaneously for any given set of >> documents within the RFC series. >> > > i think you are. I'm really not. > > > I think we've reac

Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & charter

2018-03-31 Thread bert hubert
On Sun, Apr 01, 2018 at 02:39:06AM +0530, Mukund Sivaraman wrote: > Just a "guide to the RFCs" won't be sufficient. Language has to be > corrected; large parts of RFC 1034 and 1035 have to be rewritten and > restructured, incorporating clarifications from newer RFCs. It would be > a big work, but I

Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & charter

2018-03-31 Thread Paul Vixie
Matthew Pounsett wrote: On 28 March 2018 at 14:48, Paul Vixie mailto:p...@redbarn.org>> wrote: matt, the rfc document set is innately time-series. this was seen as a strength compared to some "document set in the sky" that would be updated periodically with lineouts and additions

Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & charter

2018-03-31 Thread Matthew Pounsett
On 28 March 2018 at 14:48, Paul Vixie wrote: > matt, the rfc document set is innately time-series. this was seen as a > strength compared to some "document set in the sky" that would be updated > periodically with lineouts and additions, like for example legal codes or > the ARIN PPML. i think yo

Re: [DNSOP] Current DNS standards, drafts & charter

2018-03-31 Thread Mukund Sivaraman
On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 04:38:24AM -0400, Tim Wicinski wrote: > > I have looked at the same problem Bert has, but he did present it much > better than I could.  When I started thinking about this, I approached it > from the point of view of "If I have to give a co-worker a document on how > to bui

Re: [DNSOP] [art] Another look - draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-05.txt

2018-03-31 Thread John R. Levine
what this means is, if someone sees _TCP in use for some rr type, and they needed something like this for their own new rr type, they should be encouraged to either use _TCP if they find it's the best fit, or use something else if they find that a best fit. they should not worry either away abo

Re: [DNSOP] [art] Another look - draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-05.txt

2018-03-31 Thread Paul Vixie
John R. Levine wrote: Catching up: ... if you view the use of _tcp by more than one rrtype as a coincidence rather than as evidence for the need for a registry, then we can simply define the global registry out of existence (where it has been until now) and ensure that every rrtype's registry

Re: [DNSOP] URI text for attrleaf?

2018-03-31 Thread Dave Crocker
On 3/31/2018 9:08 AM, John R. Levine wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2018, Dave Crocker wrote: but I can't figure exactly how, nor how to resolve drawing the global value from two independent namespaces... But this ignores handling names from enumservice. Thoughts?  Suggestion?  Text? Add URI entries

Re: [DNSOP] URI text for attrleaf? (was: Re: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-06.txt)

2018-03-31 Thread John R. Levine
On Fri, 30 Mar 2018, Dave Crocker wrote: what that means. (Nor of "ENUMService Parameter".) I assume it is meant to draw from https://www.iana.org/assignments/enum-services/enum-services.xhtml#enum-services-1 Agreed. but I can't figure exactly how, nor how to resolve drawing the global valu

[DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-07.txt

2018-03-31 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Domain Name System Operations WG of the IETF. Title : DNS Scoped Data Through '_Underscore' Naming of Attribute Leaves Author : Dave Crocker

Re: [DNSOP] [art] Another look - draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-05.txt

2018-03-31 Thread John R. Levine
Catching up: Assuming we agree that the table also says where to find the registry for second level names, this removes and need for special cases. The top level names _tcp _udp _sctp _dccp all work for SRV and URI and take service names on the second level. if you view the use of _tcp by