Re: [DNSOP] New draft on delegation revalidation

2020-05-21 Thread Petr Špaček
On 10. 04. 20 15:45, Shumon Huque wrote: > Hi folks, > > Paul Vixie, Ralph Dolmans, and I have submitted this I-D for > consideration: > >    https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-huque-dnsop-ns-revalidation-01 I would appreciate a practical example of changes envisioned in the following paragraph:

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-andrews-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional

2020-05-21 Thread Wes Hardaker
Tim Wicinski writes: > We are looking for *explicit* support for adoption. Yes please! -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-andrews-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional

2020-05-21 Thread Daniel Migault
I am supporting adoption. Yours, Daniel On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 10:41 AM Wes Hardaker wrote: > Tim Wicinski writes: > > > We are looking for *explicit* support for adoption. > > Yes please! > -- > Wes Hardaker > USC/ISI > > ___ > DNSOP mailing list >

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-andrews-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional

2020-05-21 Thread Shumon Huque
On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 1:50 PM Tim Wicinski wrote: > All, > > As we stated in the meeting and in our chairs actions, we're going to run > regular call for adoptions over next few months. > We are looking for *explicit* support for adoption. > > > This starts a Call for Adoption for > draft-andre

[DNSOP] dnsop - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 108

2020-05-21 Thread IETF Meeting Session Request Tool
A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Tim Wicinski, a Chair of the dnsop working group. - Working Group Name: Domain Name System Operations Area Name: Operations and Management Area Session Requester: Tim Wicinski Nu

[DNSOP] Glue is not optional, but sometimes it *is* sufficient...

2020-05-21 Thread Warren Kumari
Hi all, I decided to start a new thread for this, because it isn't really about draft-andrews-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional - it is more of an interesting aside / rathole... What if you *only* have glue, and no authoritative answer / server? Can I register example.com, put in www.example.com A 192.0

Re: [DNSOP] Glue is not optional, but sometimes it *is* sufficient...

2020-05-21 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >What if you *only* have glue, and no authoritative answer / server? >Can I register example.com, put in www.example.com A 192.0.2.1 as >glue, and not bother with this whole annoying authoritative server >thing? Based on my recent analysis of TLD zones, yes if the zone is m

Re: [DNSOP] Glue is not optional, but sometimes it *is* sufficient...

2020-05-21 Thread Warren Kumari
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 5:41 PM John Levine wrote: > > In article > you > write: > >What if you *only* have glue, and no authoritative answer / server? > >Can I register example.com, put in www.example.com A 192.0.2.1 as > >glue, and not bother with this whole annoying authoritative server > >t

Re: [DNSOP] Glue is not optional, but sometimes it *is* sufficient...

2020-05-21 Thread Töma Gavrichenkov
Peace, On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 11:08 PM Warren Kumari wrote: > [..skip..] > Looking in the webserver log, there are also some hits - e.g: > - - [21/May/2020:19:09:10 +] "GET /favicon.ico HTTP/1.1" 404 209 > "http://www.wow4dns.com/"; "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X > 10_15_4) AppleWeb

Re: [DNSOP] Glue is not optional, but sometimes it *is* sufficient...

2020-05-21 Thread Warren Kumari
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 6:00 PM Töma Gavrichenkov wrote: > > Peace, > > On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 11:08 PM Warren Kumari wrote: > > [..skip..] > > Looking in the webserver log, there are also some hits - e.g: > > - - [21/May/2020:19:09:10 +] "GET /favicon.ico HTTP/1.1" 404 209 > > "http://www.w

Re: [DNSOP] Glue is not optional, but sometimes it *is* sufficient...

2020-05-21 Thread John R Levine
On Thu, 21 May 2020, Warren Kumari wrote: Yes -- but information in the additional section should not be promoted to an answer. A week or two ago I scannned TLD zone files to see how many signed A and records there were. Quite a lot, most looks to be orphan glue in Afilias zones that th

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-andrews-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional

2020-05-21 Thread Masataka Ohta
Tim Wicinski wrote: This starts a Call for Adoption for draft-andrews-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional The draft is available here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-andrews-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional/ Please review this draft to see if you think it is suitable for adoption by DNSOP, and commen

[DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service"

2020-05-21 Thread George Michaelson
My Colleague George Kuo asked me for definitions of public DNS service. not "public DNS" but the trigram "public DNS service" Colloquially we understand this reasonably well. It is in the space of what Google, quad9, CloudFlare and others do. The various clean DNS feeds people subscribe to, it is

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-andrews-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional

2020-05-21 Thread Paul Vixie
On Friday, 22 May 2020 00:31:34 UTC Masataka Ohta wrote: > ... > > While I'm not against the clarification, the draft should mention > that rfc1034 already states: > > To fix this problem, a zone contains "glue" RRs which are not > part of the authoritative data, and are address RRs for t

Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service"

2020-05-21 Thread Joe Abley
On 21 May 2020, at 20:55, George Michaelson wrote: > My Colleague George Kuo asked me for definitions of public DNS > service. not "public DNS" but the trigram "public DNS service" > > Colloquially we understand this reasonably well. It is in the space of > what Google, quad9, CloudFlare and oth

Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service"

2020-05-21 Thread Paul Vixie
On Friday, 22 May 2020 00:55:34 UTC George Michaelson wrote: > My Colleague George Kuo asked me for definitions of public DNS > service. not "public DNS" but the trigram "public DNS service" > > Colloquially we understand this reasonably well. It is in the space of > what Google, quad9, CloudFlare

[DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements-00.txt

2020-05-21 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Domain Name System Operations WG of the IETF. Title : Recommendations for DNSSEC Resolvers Operators Authors : Daniel Migault

Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service"

2020-05-21 Thread Davey Song
IMHO, public DNS is not a technical jargon which needs a DNS terminology RFC to record (it collects all DNS definition and terms from other DNS RFC). The term "Public DNS" or "Public DNS service" belongs to the scope of how people provide and operate DNS services to their best interests. There ar

Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service"

2020-05-21 Thread George Michaelson
Thank you all for the responses. This has been very interesting. Paul actually hinted this was the probable direction, and I think we can say categorically the dictionary doesn't need updating because there isn't a sense this concept needs defining in this context within this WG. Many thanks -Geo

Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service"

2020-05-21 Thread George Michaelson
George Kuo who is not subscribed to the list said this: >Thanks all for sharing. >I have learned from all your input. > >George Kuo. On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 2:11 PM George Michaelson wrote: > > Thank you all for the responses. This has been very interesting. Paul > actually hinted this was the p