[DNSOP] NOTIFY: How to locate the target

2023-11-08 Thread Peter Thomassen
Dear DNSOP, As laid out at the DNSOP session on Tuesday, draft-ietf-dnsop-generalized-notify (and also draft-johani-dnsop-delegation-mgmt-via-ddns) require a method for locating the parent-side endpoint (target) where the child DNS operator can send a NOTIFY for DS update (or other kind of si

[DNSOP] NOTIFY: How to locate the target

2023-11-08 Thread Paul Vixie
None of the above. Do what RFC 2136 does to send updates to the primary authority, or do what RFC 1996 does to send notifications to all listed authorities. Any new signaling is effectively a way to go out of band. The system is complete as it is. p vixie On Nov 8, 2023 12:06, Peter Thomas

Re: [DNSOP] NOTIFY: How to locate the target

2023-11-08 Thread John Levine
It appears that Paul Vixie said: >-=-=-=-=-=- >None of the above. Do what RFC 2136 does to send updates to the primary >authority, or do what RFC 1996 >does to send notifications to all listed authorities. Any new signaling is >effectively a way to go out >of band. The system is complete as it

Re: [DNSOP] NOTIFY: How to locate the target

2023-11-08 Thread Joe Abley
On 8 Nov 2023, at 18:50, John Levine wrote: > It appears that Paul Vixie said: >> -=-=-=-=-=- >> None of the above. Do what RFC 2136 does to send updates to the primary >> authority, or do what RFC 1996 >> does to send notifications to all listed authorities. Any new signaling is >> effectiv

[DNSOP] REFER and DELEG and hackathons and Prague

2023-11-08 Thread Joe Abley
Hi all, I am sorry not to be in Prague this week but I'm happy to hear that some of the ideas that led me to write draft-jabley-dnsop-refer-00 a couple of years ago have resurfaced, including I think the idea of signalling available transports for a child along with the delegation which had als

Re: [DNSOP] NOTIFY: How to locate the target

2023-11-08 Thread John R Levine
It appears that Paul Vixie said: -=-=-=-=-=- None of the above. Do what RFC 2136 does to send updates to the primary authority, or do what RFC 1996 does to send notifications to all listed authorities. Any new signaling is effectively a way to go out of band. The system is complete as it i

Re: [DNSOP] REFER and DELEG and hackathons and Prague

2023-11-08 Thread Manu Bretelle
On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 7:20 PM Joe Abley wrote: > > > Since I wasn't at the hackathon (and since there is no sign of related > discussion about this on this list) I assume a lot of the ideas are being > shared over beer. But if there's a mailing list or something else going on, > I'd be intereste

Re: [DNSOP] NOTIFY: How to locate the target

2023-11-08 Thread Joe Abley
On 8 Nov 2023, at 19:39, John R Levine wrote: >  >> >> >>> It appears that Paul Vixie said: -=-=-=-=-=- None of the above. Do what RFC 2136 does to send updates to the primary authority, or do what RFC 1996 does to send notifications to all listed authorities. Any new s

Re: [DNSOP] NOTIFY: How to locate the target

2023-11-08 Thread John R Levine
On Wed, 8 Nov 2023, Joe Abley wrote: I think the idea is that these two existing and well-implemented mechanisms should be considered first to see if they fit before anybody goes to the trouble of inventing new ones. The most likely use case for this stuff is for a domain registrant to updat

Re: [DNSOP] NOTIFY: How to locate the target

2023-11-08 Thread Brian Dickson
I think what we have here is (as Daffy Duck famously put it) "pronoun trouble". The target for a NOTIFY would necessarily be found in the SOA record of the registrant's zone, not the parent's zone. I think that's where the confusion has arisen. The SOA record would need to be initially configured