Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Implementor's status on draft-ietf-dnsop-avoid-fragmentation: BIND 9

2023-01-20 Thread Paul Hoffman
Given the long list of things in this document that ISC has thought about and actively decided not to do, is it a good idea that we call it a "best current practice"? --Paul Hoffman ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/li

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Implementor's status on draft-ietf-dnsop-avoid-fragmentation: BIND 9

2023-01-20 Thread Jim Reid
> On 20 Jan 2023, at 15:20, Paul Hoffman wrote: > > Given the long list of things in this document that ISC has thought about and > actively decided not to do, is it a good idea that we call it a "best current > practice"? Maybe. Though a BCP should go beyond documenting what BIND9 does. In

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Implementor's status on draft-ietf-dnsop-avoid-fragmentation: BIND 9

2023-01-20 Thread Paul Wouters
On Fri, 20 Jan 2023, Paul Hoffman wrote: Given the long list of things in this document that ISC has thought about and actively decided not to do, is it a good idea that we call it a "best current practice"? It seems there should be more discussion which hopefully would lead to a converging B

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Implementor's status on draft-ietf-dnsop-avoid-fragmentation: BIND 9

2023-01-20 Thread Paul Vixie
On Fri Jan 20, 2023 at 6:53 PM UTC, Paul Wouters wrote: > It seems there should be more discussion which hopefully would lead to > a converging BCP before moving forward. Hearing from other main > implementations would be extremely helpful here. i have always been a fan of ISC's work, but i agree

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Implementor's status on draft-ietf-dnsop-avoid-fragmentation: BIND 9

2023-01-20 Thread Ondřej Surý
I am indifferent about what label we stick on this, but perhaps the document should have a section on implementations? However, I do feel that the Security Considerations is missing on the risks of dropping packets, ICMP filtering and dangers of PMTUD. Also it feels weird to me that the IP_PMTU

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Implementor's status on draft-ietf-dnsop-avoid-fragmentation: BIND 9

2023-01-24 Thread Tim Wicinski
The chairs thank all for this feedback, even at this stage. But it's better to catch these issues now, than later on in the process. On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 3:52 PM Ondřej Surý wrote: > I am indifferent about what label we stick on this, but perhaps the > document should have a section on impl

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Implementor's status on draft-ietf-dnsop-avoid-fragmentation: BIND 9

2023-01-24 Thread Warren Kumari
Hi all, Thank you to the authors, chairs and WG for wanting to make the document as good as it can be, even if that does require some more work. The chairs have requested that I return it to the WG to get an implementation section added, and so I'll do so[0]. Thanks again, W [0]: I'll keep the

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Implementor's status on draft-ietf-dnsop-avoid-fragmentation: BIND 9

2023-01-24 Thread Tim Wicinski
Thanks Warren! As we discussed, it appears I felt all comments had been addressed, but missed some nuances. In the next few days I'll reach out to these folks to help me suggest some text on adding an Implementations Section, but also making sure we've addressed all comments. My guess is we'll do

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Implementor's status on draft-ietf-dnsop-avoid-fragmentation: BIND 9

2023-01-24 Thread Ondřej Surý
Tim,I think I’ve just did that in the previous email. I feel that gathering information about more implementations first would be better, so the section on Implementation could be uniform for all gathered input.Ondrej--Ondřej Surý — ISC (He/Him)My working hours and your working hours may be differe

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Implementor's status on draft-ietf-dnsop-avoid-fragmentation: BIND 9

2023-01-24 Thread Tim Wicinski
On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 12:07 PM Ondřej Surý wrote: > Tim, > > I think I’ve just did that in the previous email. I feel that gathering > information about more implementations first would be better, so the > section on Implementation could be uniform for all gathered input. > > Ondrej > I agree,

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Implementor's status on draft-ietf-dnsop-avoid-fragmentation: BIND 9

2023-03-06 Thread Warren Kumari
Hello authors, chairs and WG, I was wondering when we'd see an updated version of this document? The IETF 116 "Internet-Draft submission cut-off" is 2023-03-13 (7 days from now) - https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/116/important-dates/ I think that the requested changes were not particularly ma