Re: [DNSOP] DNS cookies and multi-vendor anycast incompatibility

2018-06-25 Thread Petr Špaček
On 23.6.2018 19:09, Evan Hunt wrote: > On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 10:26:55PM -0400, Warren Kumari wrote: >> So, if I set both to use their (non-default) of SHA256 (and set the same >> secret:-)) do they actually generate compatible cookies? >> I'd guess / assume so, but I haven't tested this... > > T

Re: [DNSOP] DNS cookies and multi-vendor anycast incompatibility

2018-06-23 Thread Evan Hunt
On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 10:26:55PM -0400, Warren Kumari wrote: > So, if I set both to use their (non-default) of SHA256 (and set the same > secret:-)) do they actually generate compatible cookies? > I'd guess / assume so, but I haven't tested this... That's the intention. Mukund recently pointed

Re: [DNSOP] DNS cookies and multi-vendor anycast incompatibility

2018-06-22 Thread Mukund Sivaraman
On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 10:26:55PM -0400, Warren Kumari wrote: > I have not tried configuring cookie on Knot, but looking > in alg_containers.c, I can configure: > { 0, "FNV-64" }, > { 1, "HMAC-SHA256-64" } > > Under BIND: > cookie-algorithm: > Set the algorithm to be used when generating the serv

Re: [DNSOP] DNS cookies and multi-vendor anycast incompatibility

2018-06-22 Thread Warren Kumari
On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 8:29 PM Evan Hunt wrote: > On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 11:19:55AM -0400, Warren Kumari wrote: > > There are a number of anycast clusters which run different > > implementations on the same IP. > > Sure, but as long as the algorithm is settable for each server in the > anycast

Re: [DNSOP] DNS cookies and multi-vendor anycast incompatibility

2018-06-22 Thread Evan Hunt
On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 11:19:55AM -0400, Warren Kumari wrote: > There are a number of anycast clusters which run different > implementations on the same IP. Sure, but as long as the algorithm is settable for each server in the anycast so that all of them can match, then I don't think it matters i

Re: [DNSOP] DNS cookies and multi-vendor anycast incompatibility

2018-06-22 Thread Daniel Salzman
On 06/21/2018 05:09 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: > >> On 21 Jun 2018, at 5:21 pm, Daniel Salzman wrote: >> >> Hello Mark, >> >> On 06/20/2018 11:01 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: >>> On 21 Jun 2018, at 12:25 am, Petr Špaček wrote: On 20.6.2018 16:10, Paul Wouters wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jun

Re: [DNSOP] DNS cookies and multi-vendor anycast incompatibility

2018-06-22 Thread Daniel Salzman
Hello Mark, On 06/20/2018 11:01 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: > >> On 21 Jun 2018, at 12:25 am, Petr Špaček wrote: >> >> On 20.6.2018 16:10, Paul Wouters wrote: >>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2018, Petr Špaček wrote: >>> it seems that current specification of DNS cookies in RFC 7873 is not detailed enou

Re: [DNSOP] DNS cookies and multi-vendor anycast incompatibility

2018-06-21 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 22 Jun 2018, at 1:19 am, Warren Kumari wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 10:36 AM Mark Andrews wrote: > > > On 21 Jun 2018, at 12:25 am, Petr Špaček wrote: > > > > On 20.6.2018 16:10, Paul Wouters wrote: > >> On Wed, 20 Jun 2018, Petr Špaček wrote: > >> > >>> it seems that curre

Re: [DNSOP] DNS cookies and multi-vendor anycast incompatibility

2018-06-21 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 22 Jun 2018, at 1:48 am, Mukund Sivaraman wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 01:09:14AM +1000, Mark Andrews wrote: >>> So how should the DNS cookies be implemented? IMHO if one server uses >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7873#appendix-B.1 >>> and another server uses https://tools.ietf.

Re: [DNSOP] DNS cookies and multi-vendor anycast incompatibility

2018-06-21 Thread Mukund Sivaraman
On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 01:09:14AM +1000, Mark Andrews wrote: > > So how should the DNS cookies be implemented? IMHO if one server uses > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7873#appendix-B.1 > > and another server uses https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7873#appendix-B.2, > > then it's not interoperabl

Re: [DNSOP] DNS cookies and multi-vendor anycast incompatibility

2018-06-21 Thread Warren Kumari
On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 10:36 AM Mark Andrews wrote: > > > On 21 Jun 2018, at 12:25 am, Petr Špaček wrote: > > > > On 20.6.2018 16:10, Paul Wouters wrote: > >> On Wed, 20 Jun 2018, Petr Špaček wrote: > >> > >>> it seems that current specification of DNS cookies in RFC 7873 is not > >>> detailed

Re: [DNSOP] DNS cookies and multi-vendor anycast incompatibility

2018-06-21 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 21 Jun 2018, at 5:21 pm, Daniel Salzman wrote: > > Hello Mark, > > On 06/20/2018 11:01 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: >> >>> On 21 Jun 2018, at 12:25 am, Petr Špaček wrote: >>> >>> On 20.6.2018 16:10, Paul Wouters wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2018, Petr Špaček wrote: > it seems that cu

Re: [DNSOP] DNS cookies and multi-vendor anycast incompatibility

2018-06-21 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 21 Jun 2018, at 5:24 pm, Petr Špaček wrote: > > On 20.6.2018 23:01, Mark Andrews wrote: >>> On 21 Jun 2018, at 12:25 am, Petr Špaček wrote: >>> >>> On 20.6.2018 16:10, Paul Wouters wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2018, Petr Špaček wrote: > it seems that current specification of DNS c

Re: [DNSOP] DNS cookies and multi-vendor anycast incompatibility

2018-06-21 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 21 Jun 2018, at 12:25 am, Petr Špaček wrote: > > On 20.6.2018 16:10, Paul Wouters wrote: >> On Wed, 20 Jun 2018, Petr Špaček wrote: >> >>> it seems that current specification of DNS cookies in RFC 7873 is not >>> detailed enough to allow deployment of DNS cookies in multi-vendor >>> anycas

Re: [DNSOP] DNS cookies and multi-vendor anycast incompatibility

2018-06-21 Thread Petr Špaček
On 21.6.2018 14:38, Donald Eastlake wrote: > Hi, > > As the first author of the DNS Cookies RFC, I would be happy to generate > a draft to standardize this to improve inter vendor interoperability for > anycast servers. Good! Where do we start? Right now I'm aware of couple requirements: 1. it h

Re: [DNSOP] DNS cookies and multi-vendor anycast incompatibility

2018-06-21 Thread Donald Eastlake
Hi, As the first author of the DNS Cookies RFC, I would be happy to generate a draft to standardize this to improve inter vendor interoperability for anycast servers. Thanks, Donald On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 03:54 Ondřej Surý wrote: > > On 21 Jun 2018, at 09:24, Petr Špaček wrote: > > So let me

Re: [DNSOP] DNS cookies and multi-vendor anycast incompatibility

2018-06-21 Thread Ondřej Surý
> On 21 Jun 2018, at 09:24, Petr Špaček wrote: > So let me ask again: > Are other vendors willing to work on sufficiently detailed > specification? If not just say it! +1 from ISC. I believe that we need to improve interoperability between the implementation or people will not be willing to deplo

Re: [DNSOP] DNS cookies and multi-vendor anycast incompatibility

2018-06-21 Thread Petr Špaček
On 20.6.2018 23:01, Mark Andrews wrote: >> On 21 Jun 2018, at 12:25 am, Petr Špaček wrote: >> >> On 20.6.2018 16:10, Paul Wouters wrote: >>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2018, Petr Špaček wrote: >>> it seems that current specification of DNS cookies in RFC 7873 is not detailed enough to allow deployme

Re: [DNSOP] DNS cookies and multi-vendor anycast incompatibility

2018-06-20 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 21 Jun 2018, at 12:25 am, Petr Špaček wrote: > > On 20.6.2018 16:10, Paul Wouters wrote: >> On Wed, 20 Jun 2018, Petr Špaček wrote: >> >>> it seems that current specification of DNS cookies in RFC 7873 is not >>> detailed enough to allow deployment of DNS cookies in multi-vendor >>> anycas

Re: [DNSOP] DNS cookies and multi-vendor anycast incompatibility

2018-06-20 Thread Petr Špaček
On 20.6.2018 16:10, Paul Wouters wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jun 2018, Petr Špaček wrote: > >> it seems that current specification of DNS cookies in RFC 7873 is not >> detailed enough to allow deployment of DNS cookies in multi-vendor >> anycast setup, i.e. a setup where one IP address is backed by multip

Re: [DNSOP] DNS cookies and multi-vendor anycast incompatibility

2018-06-20 Thread Paul Wouters
On Wed, 20 Jun 2018, Petr Špaček wrote: it seems that current specification of DNS cookies in RFC 7873 is not detailed enough to allow deployment of DNS cookies in multi-vendor anycast setup, i.e. a setup where one IP address is backed by multiple DNS servers. The problem is lack of standardi

[DNSOP] DNS cookies and multi-vendor anycast incompatibility

2018-06-20 Thread Petr Špaček
Hello dnsop, it seems that current specification of DNS cookies in RFC 7873 is not detailed enough to allow deployment of DNS cookies in multi-vendor anycast setup, i.e. a setup where one IP address is backed by multiple DNS servers. The problem is lack of standardized algorithm to generate