Re: [DNSOP] Generalized DNS Notifications (draft-thomassen-dnsop-generalized-dns-notify-00)

2022-11-30 Thread George Michaelson
I got quite used to being told "stop inventing things" and as a general principle, its not such a bad thing to be told. But it occurs to me, inventing a way to be told authoritatively where the zone cut should be might not be such a bad idea, if it was useful. If the alternative is to have to

Re: [DNSOP] Generalized DNS Notifications (draft-thomassen-dnsop-generalized-dns-notify-00)

2022-11-30 Thread Shreyas Zare
On 11/30/2022 6:16 AM, Mark Andrews wrote: On 30 Nov 2022, at 00:07, Joe Abley wrote: On Tuesday, November 29th, 2022 at 13:37, Peter Thomassen wrote: At the IETF a few weeks back, Johan and I felt a sudden enlightenment when it occurred to us that the same approach could be used to

Re: [DNSOP] Generalized DNS Notifications (draft-thomassen-dnsop-generalized-dns-notify-00)

2022-11-30 Thread Johan Stenstam
Hi Joe and others, Let me try to respond to several comments in one place. 1. On “knowing your parent”. I agree with Joe, in general a child is ignorant of its parent. And while there are methods like the one Mark describes that usually work there are certainly corners where they don’t.

Re: [DNSOP] Generalized DNS Notifications (draft-thomassen-dnsop-generalized-dns-notify-00)

2022-11-30 Thread Joe Abley
On Wednesday, November 30th, 2022 at 01:46, Mark Andrews wrote: > > On 30 Nov 2022, at 00:07, Joe Abley jab...@hopcount.ca wrote: > > > One question occurs to me after reading your draft: you > > suggest in a couple of places that it's easy for a > > nameserver that is authoritative for a child

Re: [DNSOP] Generalized DNS Notifications (draft-thomassen-dnsop-generalized-dns-notify-00)

2022-11-29 Thread Mark Andrews
If we are going to send NOTIFY messages just send signed UPDATE messages. I described how to do this securely about a decade ago now. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-andrews-dnsop-update-parent-zones-04 NOTIFY messages are just going to have to be relayed to the registrar in

Re: [DNSOP] Generalized DNS Notifications (draft-thomassen-dnsop-generalized-dns-notify-00)

2022-11-29 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 30 Nov 2022, at 00:07, Joe Abley wrote: > > On Tuesday, November 29th, 2022 at 13:37, Peter Thomassen > wrote: > >> At the IETF a few weeks back, Johan and I felt a sudden >> enlightenment when it occurred to us that the same approach >> could be used to reduce scanning cost for

Re: [DNSOP] Generalized DNS Notifications (draft-thomassen-dnsop-generalized-dns-notify-00)

2022-11-29 Thread Ólafur Guðmundsson
Peter, I like the concept a lot and this is a good natural evolution, My comments/issues #1 this should cover normal notify as well as there is no reason parent should have to be updates every time an external DNS provider changes its distribution "top" #2 I would love the examples to use a

Re: [DNSOP] Generalized DNS Notifications (draft-thomassen-dnsop-generalized-dns-notify-00)

2022-11-29 Thread Joe Abley
On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 15:57, Paul Wouters wrote: > The main concern at the time was they TLDs didn’t want any kind of triggers > hitting their production nameservers. For what it's worth, I this proposal accommodates such concerns. It allows (in your example) the TLD operator to specify

Re: [DNSOP] Generalized DNS Notifications (draft-thomassen-dnsop-generalized-dns-notify-00)

2022-11-29 Thread Paul Wouters
You might want to dig into the ancient discussion thread of “timers vs triggers”. The main concern at the time was they TLDs didn’t want any kind of triggers hitting their production nameservers. Paul Sent using a virtual keyboard on a phone > On Nov 29, 2022, at 08:08, Joe Abley wrote: >

Re: [DNSOP] Generalized DNS Notifications (draft-thomassen-dnsop-generalized-dns-notify-00)

2022-11-29 Thread Joe Abley
On Tuesday, November 29th, 2022 at 13:37, Peter Thomassen wrote: > At the IETF a few weeks back, Johan and I felt a sudden > enlightenment when it occurred to us that the same approach > could be used to reduce scanning cost for CDS/CSYNC scans and > the like, while maintaining low update

[DNSOP] Generalized DNS Notifications (draft-thomassen-dnsop-generalized-dns-notify-00)

2022-11-29 Thread Peter Thomassen
Dear DNSOP, Changes in CDS/CDNSKEY, CSYNC, and other records related to delegation maintenance are usually detected through scheduled scans run by the consuming party (e.g. top-level domain registry), incurring an uncomfortable trade-off between scanning cost and update latency. A similar