Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors

2015-05-12 Thread 神明達哉
At Tue, 12 May 2015 11:44:28 +0200, Warren Kumari war...@kumari.net wrote: In BIND, NTA's are set by an rndc command, but in other implementations they might be set up in a config file. If you have both a TA and an NTA for the same node in the same configuration, that would be sensible to

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors

2015-05-12 Thread Warren Kumari
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 7:26 PM, Evan Hunt e...@isc.org wrote: On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:19:19PM -0400, Bob Harold wrote: I am not even sure there is a good reason for a warning. In BIND, NTA's are set by an rndc command, but in other implementations they might be set up in a config file. If

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors

2015-05-12 Thread Ralf Weber
Moin! On 11 May 2015, at 19:20, Evan Hunt wrote: Does this mean: A: All implementations that conform to this document should prefer the NTA over the positive anchor in such a case, or B: This is implementation-dependent, but if an implementation allows the coexistence of positive and

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors

2015-05-12 Thread Evan Hunt
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 11:44:28AM +0200, Warren Kumari wrote: An NTA placed at a node where there is a configured positive trust anchor MUST take precendence over that trust anchor, effectively disabling it. Implementations SHOULD issue a warning or informational message when this occurs, so

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors

2015-05-12 Thread Warren Kumari
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Evan Hunt e...@isc.org wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 11:44:28AM +0200, Warren Kumari wrote: An NTA placed at a node where there is a configured positive trust anchor MUST take precendence over that trust anchor, effectively disabling it. Implementations SHOULD

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors

2015-05-11 Thread Evan Hunt
Does this mean: A: All implementations that conform to this document should prefer the NTA over the positive anchor in such a case, or B: This is implementation-dependent, but if an implementation allows the coexistence of positive and negative anchors, it should prefer the NTA,

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors

2015-05-11 Thread 神明達哉
At Sat, 9 May 2015 15:08:11 +0200, Warren Kumari war...@kumari.net wrote: 1. In my very original comment on this matter: www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dnsop/current/msg12614.html I noted one other corner case, which we might also want to clarify: On a related note, there are

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors

2015-05-11 Thread Bob Harold
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:10 PM, 神明達哉 jin...@wide.ad.jp wrote: At Sat, 9 May 2015 18:50:28 +, Evan Hunt e...@isc.org wrote: Actually, weirdly enough, after I implemented NTA's in BIND, one of the very first applications somebody came up with for them was to temporarily disable

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors

2015-05-11 Thread Evan Hunt
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:19:19PM -0400, Bob Harold wrote: I am not even sure there is a good reason for a warning. In BIND, NTA's are set by an rndc command, but in other implementations they might be set up in a config file. If you have both a TA and an NTA for the same node in the same

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors

2015-05-11 Thread 神明達哉
At Sat, 9 May 2015 18:50:28 +, Evan Hunt e...@isc.org wrote: Actually, weirdly enough, after I implemented NTA's in BIND, one of the very first applications somebody came up with for them was to temporarily disable DNSSEC validation by setting an NTA for .. This was seen as better than

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors

2015-05-10 Thread Warren Kumari
On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 8:50 PM, Evan Hunt e...@isc.org wrote: On Sat, May 09, 2015 at 03:08:11PM +0200, Warren Kumari wrote: It is RECOMMENDED that implementations warn operators (or treat as an error) if they attempt to add an NTA for a domain that has a configured positive trust anchor.

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors

2015-05-10 Thread Warren Kumari
On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Paul Hoffman paul.hoff...@vpnc.org wrote: On May 9, 2015, at 6:07 AM, Warren Kumari war...@kumari.net wrote: In Section 2, there should be a new paragraph after the first paragraph that describes why the reasonable attempt in the first paragraph is needed to

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors

2015-05-09 Thread Warren Kumari
[ Top post ] Integrating these -- 'parently I'm processing emails out of order... Thank you for your comments, I've integrated them and will post a new version soon (planning on incorporating some of Jinmei's comments before posting). On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Paul Hoffman

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors

2015-05-09 Thread Warren Kumari
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Dan York y...@isoc.org wrote: Warren and Tim, I support the publishing of this document subject to incorporating the various comments I’ve seen here on that list. I had a couple of specific points but they seem to have been covered by others, so… On May 6,

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors

2015-05-09 Thread Warren Kumari
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Rose, Scott W. scott.r...@nist.gov wrote: I think the draft is just about ready for publication as well. On May 5, 2015, at 5:53 PM, Paul Hoffman paul.hoff...@vpnc.org wrote: This document has progressed very well and is nearly ready for publication. Related

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors

2015-05-09 Thread Paul Hoffman
On May 9, 2015, at 6:08 AM, Warren Kumari war...@kumari.net wrote: Two more related points: 1. In my very original comment on this matter: www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dnsop/current/msg12614.html I noted one other corner case, which we might also want to clarify: On a related note,

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors

2015-05-09 Thread Warren Kumari
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:51 PM, 神明達哉 jin...@wide.ad.jp wrote: At Tue, 5 May 2015 17:06:04 -0400, Warren Kumari war...@kumari.net wrote: ... and now I'm replying to the rest of the comments. Thanks, I've confirmed that my major and minor points are addressed in the 05 version. So I'm now

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors

2015-05-09 Thread Evan Hunt
On Sat, May 09, 2015 at 03:08:11PM +0200, Warren Kumari wrote: It is RECOMMENDED that implementations warn operators (or treat as an error) if they attempt to add an NTA for a domain that has a configured positive trust anchor. You still need to say what happens if the implementation decides

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors

2015-05-06 Thread Warren Kumari
during WGLC, so that everyone can see the most recent state, and not comment on older comments, etc) W On Monday, April 27, 2015, Tim Wicinski tjw.i...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings, This starts a Working Group Last Call for Adoption for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors Current versions

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors

2015-05-06 Thread Rose, Scott W.
I think the draft is just about ready for publication as well. On May 5, 2015, at 5:53 PM, Paul Hoffman paul.hoff...@vpnc.org wrote: This document has progressed very well and is nearly ready for publication. Related to an earlier thread about intended status: Informational is most

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors

2015-05-06 Thread 神明達哉
At Tue, 5 May 2015 17:06:04 -0400, Warren Kumari war...@kumari.net wrote: ... and now I'm replying to the rest of the comments. Thanks, I've confirmed that my major and minor points are addressed in the 05 version. So I'm now basically fine with shipping it. Some non-blocking comments

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors

2015-05-05 Thread Warren Kumari
[ Top post] Only replying to the biggest issue here, will reply to the rest later today. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 2:25 PM, 神明達哉 jin...@wide.ad.jp wrote: At Mon, 27 Apr 2015 18:58:10 -0400, Tim Wicinski tjw.i...@gmail.com wrote: This starts a Working Group Last Call for Adoption for draft-ietf

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors

2015-05-05 Thread Evan Hunt
On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 12:24:13PM -0400, Warren Kumari wrote: The way that our resolver works is that the closest TA would win, and so a positive TA under a negative trust anchor *would* be used. To me this seems to be the obviously right thing to do, and so, unless anyone objects, I'll add

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors

2015-05-05 Thread Warren Kumari
for the careful review, catching this corner case, and providing helpful text... More comments inline. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 2:25 PM, 神明達哉 jin...@wide.ad.jp wrote: At Mon, 27 Apr 2015 18:58:10 -0400, Tim Wicinski tjw.i...@gmail.com wrote: This starts a Working Group Last Call for Adoption for draft

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors

2015-05-05 Thread Paul Hoffman
This document has progressed very well and is nearly ready for publication. Related to an earlier thread about intended status: Informational is most appropriate here because the document is all about proposed operations but no best current practice. There is no problem with WGs producing

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors

2015-05-04 Thread 神明達哉
At Mon, 27 Apr 2015 18:58:10 -0400, Tim Wicinski tjw.i...@gmail.com wrote: This starts a Working Group Last Call for Adoption for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors (I guess this is for Publication, not for Adoption). Also, have we decided to publish it as an Informational document? I'm

[DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors

2015-04-27 Thread Tim Wicinski
Greetings, This starts a Working Group Last Call for Adoption for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors Current versions of the draft is available here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors/ https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust