Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service"

2020-05-25 Thread George Michaelson
On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 7:06 PM Vittorio Bertola wrote: > > If you wanted to convey the nuance that it's not just open, but open on > purpose and meant to attract users from the entire Internet, you could add > "global": "open global resolver". > > Or, as an alternative, you could use the term

Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service"

2020-05-25 Thread Paul Vixie
On Monday, 25 May 2020 09:06:17 UTC Vittorio Bertola wrote: > > Il 22/05/2020 18:59 Tony Finch ha scritto: > > > > I think despite what Paul H. said this is already covered in RFC 8499: > >Open resolver: A full-service resolver that accepts and processes > > > > queries from any (o

Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service"

2020-05-25 Thread Vittorio Bertola
> Il 22/05/2020 18:59 Tony Finch ha scritto: > > I think despite what Paul H. said this is already covered in RFC 8499: > >Open resolver: A full-service resolver that accepts and processes > queries from any (or nearly any) client. This is sometimes also > called a "public

Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service"

2020-05-23 Thread Bill Woodcock
> On May 23, 2020, at 4:46 AM, Paul Vixie wrote: > ibm and pch and the other backers of quad9, and the security industry > partners who participate, have > solid personal reasons, just as google and cloudflare and opendns do, for > running an open recursive name service. That’s a rhetorical fa

Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service"

2020-05-22 Thread Paul Vixie
On Friday, 22 May 2020 21:59:11 UTC Bill Woodcock wrote: > > On May 22, 2020, at 3:38 AM, Paul Vixie wrote: > > ... > > > > these services aren't public in any way, and should not be described as > > public. they are operated privately for private purposes > > True of Google and Cloudflare, not

Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service"

2020-05-22 Thread dagon
On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 10:55:34AM +1000, George Michaelson wrote: > My Colleague George Kuo asked me for definitions of public DNS > service. not "public DNS" but the trigram "public DNS service" Is there room for this bike: 1) Policy: A "public DNS service" is a full DNS speaker outside of

Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service"

2020-05-22 Thread Bill Woodcock
> On May 22, 2020, at 3:38 AM, Paul Vixie wrote: > > On Friday, 22 May 2020 00:55:34 UTC George Michaelson wrote: >> My Colleague George Kuo asked me for definitions of public DNS >> service. not "public DNS" but the trigram "public DNS service" >> >> Colloquially we understand this reasonably

Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service"

2020-05-22 Thread Tony Finch
I think despite what Paul H. said this is already covered in RFC 8499: Open resolver: A full-service resolver that accepts and processes queries from any (or nearly any) client. This is sometimes also called a "public resolver", although the term "public resolver" is used mo

Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service"

2020-05-22 Thread Andrew Campling
On Friday, 22 May 2020 02:38 Paul Vixie wrote: > > On Friday, 22 May 2020 00:55:34 UTC George Michaelson wrote: >> My Colleague George Kuo asked me for definitions of public DNS >> service. not "public DNS" but the trigram "public DNS service" >> >> Colloquially we understand this reasonably wel

Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service"

2020-05-21 Thread George Michaelson
George Kuo who is not subscribed to the list said this: >Thanks all for sharing. >I have learned from all your input. > >George Kuo. On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 2:11 PM George Michaelson wrote: > > Thank you all for the responses. This has been very interesting. Paul > actually hinted this was the p

Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service"

2020-05-21 Thread George Michaelson
Thank you all for the responses. This has been very interesting. Paul actually hinted this was the probable direction, and I think we can say categorically the dictionary doesn't need updating because there isn't a sense this concept needs defining in this context within this WG. Many thanks -Geo

Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service"

2020-05-21 Thread Davey Song
IMHO, public DNS is not a technical jargon which needs a DNS terminology RFC to record (it collects all DNS definition and terms from other DNS RFC). The term "Public DNS" or "Public DNS service" belongs to the scope of how people provide and operate DNS services to their best interests. There ar

Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service"

2020-05-21 Thread Paul Vixie
On Friday, 22 May 2020 00:55:34 UTC George Michaelson wrote: > My Colleague George Kuo asked me for definitions of public DNS > service. not "public DNS" but the trigram "public DNS service" > > Colloquially we understand this reasonably well. It is in the space of > what Google, quad9, CloudFlare

Re: [DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service"

2020-05-21 Thread Joe Abley
On 21 May 2020, at 20:55, George Michaelson wrote: > My Colleague George Kuo asked me for definitions of public DNS > service. not "public DNS" but the trigram "public DNS service" > > Colloquially we understand this reasonably well. It is in the space of > what Google, quad9, CloudFlare and oth

[DNSOP] definitions of "public DNS Service"

2020-05-21 Thread George Michaelson
My Colleague George Kuo asked me for definitions of public DNS service. not "public DNS" but the trigram "public DNS service" Colloquially we understand this reasonably well. It is in the space of what Google, quad9, CloudFlare and others do. The various clean DNS feeds people subscribe to, it is