Re: [DNSOP] partial glue is not enough, I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional-00.txt

2020-07-01 Thread John Levine
In article <9056955.dJ39pTEj9z@linux-9daj> you write: >On Wednesday, 1 July 2020 09:41:49 UTC Jan Včelák wrote: >> We just opened this discussion internally at NS1 because we serve some >> zones with more than 10 NS records where each NS requires glue and our >> proprietary server by design adds gl

Re: [DNSOP] partial glue is not enough, I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional-00.txt

2020-07-01 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 2 Jul 2020, at 11:18, John Levine wrote: > > In article <9056955.dJ39pTEj9z@linux-9daj> you write: >> On Wednesday, 1 July 2020 09:41:49 UTC Jan Včelák wrote: >>> We just opened this discussion internally at NS1 because we serve some >>> zones with more than 10 NS records where each NS req

Re: [DNSOP] partial glue is not enough, I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional-00.txt

2020-07-02 Thread Paul Vixie
On Thursday, 2 July 2020 01:18:16 UTC John Levine wrote: > In article <9056955.dJ39pTEj9z@linux-9daj> you write: > >On Wednesday, 1 July 2020 09:41:49 UTC Jan Včelák wrote: > >> ... > > > >i think if you're using round robin or random selection, a subset is fine. > >if we had to codify this practic

Re: [DNSOP] partial glue is not enough, I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional-00.txt

2020-07-02 Thread Paul Vixie
On Thursday, 2 July 2020 07:47:36 UTC Paul Vixie wrote: > On Thursday, 2 July 2020 01:18:16 UTC John Levine wrote: > > ... > > this is the draft where that issue would be decided, so it's good we're > talking about it. ... by the way, this is what kato and i, and later jabley, were trying to get

Re: [DNSOP] partial glue is not enough, I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional-00.txt

2020-07-02 Thread John R Levine
On Thu, 2 Jul 2020, Paul Vixie wrote: until someone invents faster than light travel, round trips and remote state will be the second and third most expensive things on the internet. (the most expensive thing is complexity.) i think we can usefully discuss whether to set TC=1 if the only thing t

Re: [DNSOP] partial glue is not enough, I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional-00.txt

2020-07-02 Thread Paul Vixie
On Thursday, 2 July 2020 14:50:24 UTC John R Levine wrote: > On Thu, 2 Jul 2020, Paul Vixie wrote: > > ... but our goal should be to allow smart initiators to avoid > > retrying with TCP out of reflex. my recommendation of TC=0 is to suppress > > reflexive TCP retries. > I wouldn't disagree but it

Re: [DNSOP] partial glue is not enough, I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional-00.txt

2020-07-02 Thread Mukund Sivaraman
On Thu, Jul 02, 2020 at 03:29:01PM +, Paul Vixie wrote: > On Thursday, 2 July 2020 14:50:24 UTC John R Levine wrote: > > On Thu, 2 Jul 2020, Paul Vixie wrote: > > > ... but our goal should be to allow smart initiators to avoid > > > retrying with TCP out of reflex. my recommendation of TC=0 is

Re: [DNSOP] partial glue is not enough, I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional-00.txt

2020-07-04 Thread Paul Vixie
On Thursday, 2 July 2020 14:50:24 UTC John R Levine wrote: > On Thu, 2 Jul 2020, Paul Vixie wrote: > > ... but our goal should be to allow smart initiators to avoid > > retrying with TCP out of reflex. my recommendation of TC=0 is to suppress > > reflexive TCP retries. > I wouldn't disagree but it

Re: [DNSOP] partial glue is not enough, I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional-00.txt

2020-07-07 Thread Havard Eidnes
>> this is the draft where that issue would be decided, so it's >> good we're talking about it. ... > > by the way, this is what kato and i, and later jabley, were > trying to get at with > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-respsize/ > > but it was like moving mud with a toothpick

Re: [DNSOP] partial glue is not enough, I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional-00.txt

2020-07-07 Thread Joe Abley
On Jul 7, 2020, at 12:57, Havard Eidnes wrote: >>> this is the draft where that issue would be decided, so it's >>> good we're talking about it. ... >> >> by the way, this is what kato and i, and later jabley, were >> trying to get at with >> >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-r

Re: [DNSOP] partial glue is not enough, I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional-00.txt

2020-07-07 Thread Havard Eidnes
>>> by the way, this is what kato and i, and later jabley, were >>> trying to get at with >>> >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-respsize/ >>> >>> but it was like moving mud with a toothpick, so after eleven >>> years (2003 to 2014) we gave it up. there are probably some >>> good

Re: [DNSOP] partial glue is not enough, I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional-00.txt

2020-07-07 Thread Paul Vixie
Joe Abley wrote on 2020-07-07 10:01: On Jul 7, 2020, at 12:57, Havard Eidnes wrote: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-respsize/ but it was like moving mud with a toothpick, so after eleven years (2003 to 2014) we gave it up. there are probably some good ideas in there, eve