Re: [DNSOP] CNSRRSIG (was: Re: [Ext] draft-fujiwara-dnsop-delegation-information-signer))

2021-01-24 Thread Peter van Dijk
On Thu, 2021-01-21 at 18:14 -0800, Brian Dickson wrote: > Paul's proposal would still require the parent to produce and serve the > NSRRSIG. However small a change that is, it is still a change. Yes, a change in signers and auths. > When compared with the alternative I proposed, my suggestion do

Re: [DNSOP] CNSRRSIG (was: Re: [Ext] draft-fujiwara-dnsop-delegation-information-signer))

2021-01-21 Thread Brian Dickson
On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 3:45 AM Peter van Dijk wrote: > On Thu, 2020-12-10 at 15:48 -0800, Brian Dickson wrote: > > > > > > Compared to DiS, registrar complexity is identical (because the > > > complexity is also hidden in the signer here); signer complexity is > > > potentially lower. The only r

Re: [DNSOP] CNSRRSIG (was: Re: [Ext] draft-fujiwara-dnsop-delegation-information-signer))

2021-01-21 Thread Peter van Dijk
On Thu, 2020-12-10 at 15:48 -0800, Brian Dickson wrote: > > > > Compared to DiS, registrar complexity is identical (because the > > complexity is also hidden in the signer here); signer complexity is > > potentially lower. The only real complexity change vs. DiS is in the > > auths, that now need

Re: [DNSOP] CNSRRSIG (was: Re: [Ext] draft-fujiwara-dnsop-delegation-information-signer))

2020-12-10 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Dec 10, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Joe Abley wrote: > > On 10 Dec 2020, at 19:41, Paul Hoffman wrote: > >>> "Authenticate authoritative servers" is a bit vague for me. Parent and >>> child are namespace concepts and not relying parties that you'd ordinarily >>> expect to be able to authenticate any

Re: [DNSOP] CNSRRSIG (was: Re: [Ext] draft-fujiwara-dnsop-delegation-information-signer))

2020-12-10 Thread Brian Dickson
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 4:52 PM Joe Abley wrote: > On 10 Dec 2020, at 19:41, Paul Hoffman wrote: > > >> "Authenticate authoritative servers" is a bit vague for me. Parent and > child are namespace concepts and not relying parties that you'd ordinarily > expect to be able to authenticate anything

Re: [DNSOP] CNSRRSIG (was: Re: [Ext] draft-fujiwara-dnsop-delegation-information-signer))

2020-12-10 Thread Joe Abley
On 10 Dec 2020, at 19:41, Paul Hoffman wrote: >> "Authenticate authoritative servers" is a bit vague for me. Parent and child >> are namespace concepts and not relying parties that you'd ordinarily expect >> to be able to authenticate anything. > > A resolver asks a parent what the NS records

Re: [DNSOP] CNSRRSIG (was: Re: [Ext] draft-fujiwara-dnsop-delegation-information-signer))

2020-12-10 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Dec 10, 2020, at 4:35 PM, Joe Abley wrote: > > On Dec 10, 2020, at 19:25, Paul Hoffman wrote: > >> In DPRIVE, there is a desire to TLSA records to authenticate authoritative >> servers. In order to do that without getting into a chicken-and-egg loop, >> the parent needs to authenticate the

Re: [DNSOP] CNSRRSIG (was: Re: [Ext] draft-fujiwara-dnsop-delegation-information-signer))

2020-12-10 Thread Joe Abley
On Dec 10, 2020, at 19:25, Paul Hoffman wrote: > In DPRIVE, there is a desire to TLSA records to authenticate authoritative > servers. In order to do that without getting into a chicken-and-egg loop, the > parent needs to authenticate the NS records of the child authoritative server. I haven't

Re: [DNSOP] CNSRRSIG (was: Re: [Ext] draft-fujiwara-dnsop-delegation-information-signer))

2020-12-10 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Dec 10, 2020, at 4:14 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: > > Before going on I would really like to know what operational problem is being > attempted to be solved by signing delegating information? > > Fujiwara-san has presented the draft without specifying what problem it is > attempting to solve. Th

Re: [DNSOP] CNSRRSIG (was: Re: [Ext] draft-fujiwara-dnsop-delegation-information-signer))

2020-12-10 Thread Joe Abley
On Dec 10, 2020, at 19:14, Mark Andrews wrote: > Before going on I would really like to know what operational problem is being > attempted to be solved by signing delegating information? +1 ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/ma

Re: [DNSOP] CNSRRSIG (was: Re: [Ext] draft-fujiwara-dnsop-delegation-information-signer))

2020-12-10 Thread Mark Andrews
Before going on I would really like to know what operational problem is being attempted to be solved by signing delegating information? Fujiwara-san has presented the draft without specifying what problem it is attempting to solve. The fact the records are not signed is a observation not a proble

Re: [DNSOP] CNSRRSIG (was: Re: [Ext] draft-fujiwara-dnsop-delegation-information-signer))

2020-12-10 Thread Brian Dickson
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 1:19 PM Peter van Dijk wrote: > Hello Paul, > > On Mon, 2020-11-30 at 15:43 +, Paul Hoffman wrote: > > The more I think about > draft-fujiwara-dnsop-delegation-information-signer, the more I think that > it is much more complex than what we are doing now in DNSSEC, and