Re: DOCBOOK-APPS: Converting from DocBook/SGML to DocBook/XML

2001-07-14 Thread M. Wroth
I thought I recalled that being driven by the SGML declaration But I suspect it would be an easier starting point anyway, since it guarantees a consistent form for the tags. I wasn't trying to convert to XML, so my issues were different. Good luck Dan York wrote: >Mark, > >>Since Da

Re: Q) Re: DOCBOOK-APPS: Converting from DocBook/SGML to DocBook/XML

2001-07-13 Thread Sebastian Rahtz
> XT, Saxon, Xalan and xsltproc all attempt to do the same job. The are > the equivalents of jade. Everything except xsltproc is based on Java > (although there is a C(++) version fo Xalan, IIRC). > um, dont forget the excellent implementation in IE5; and the developing one in Mozilla; and the P

Re: Q) Re: DOCBOOK-APPS: Converting from DocBook/SGML to DocBook/XML

2001-07-13 Thread Ian Castle
Kevin Conder wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > > not really, no. You have a choice of at least 4 tools [1] to render XSL > > FO > > > > [1] FOP, PassiveTeX, XEP, Antenna House > > Does xsltproc count? > > === Kevin Conder, http://KevinDumpsCore.com No. xsltpro

Re: Generating PDF (was: RE: Q) Re: DOCBOOK-APPS: Converting from DocBook/SGML to DocBook/XML)

2001-07-13 Thread Dan York
Greg, > I've been using 'htmldoc' to generate PDF and PS from DocBook source, by way > of a single large HTML file. The PDF it generates looks good, and has > clickable links, and that sort of thing. Yes, I've actually known about 'htmldoc' (from your previous postings)... I guess I'm just a

Re: DOCBOOK-APPS: Converting from DocBook/SGML to DocBook/XML

2001-07-13 Thread Dan York
Mark, >Since Dan had already taken care of tag case and attribute quoting, >the utility of sgmlnorm may not have occurred to him; I have found it >useful it dealing with various normalization issues in the past. H interesting command. Definitely looks like it could have help

Re: DOCBOOK-APPS: Converting from DocBook/SGML to DocBook/XML

2001-07-12 Thread M. Wroth
Since Dan had already taken care of tag case and attribute quoting, the utility of sgmlnorm may not have occurred to him; I have found it useful it dealing with various normalization issues in the past. At 09:49 AM 7/12/01 -0400, Dan York wrote: Richard, > What is involved in converting from DocBo

Generating PDF (was: RE: Q) Re: DOCBOOK-APPS: Converting from DocBook/SGML to DocBook/XML)

2001-07-12 Thread Gregory Leblanc
> -Original Message- > From: Dan York [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Is there an advantage in using DSSSL with DocBook Xml? > > > Does DSSSL work better than Xsl for rendering PDF? > > Right now, my Java environment is broken on my box, so DSSSL > is my only > way of going to PDF (I hav

Re: Q) Re: DOCBOOK-APPS: Converting from DocBook/SGML to DocBook/XML

2001-07-12 Thread Kevin Conder
On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > not really, no. You have a choice of at least 4 tools [1] to render XSL > FO > > [1] FOP, PassiveTeX, XEP, Antenna House Does xsltproc count? === Kevin Conder, http://KevinDumpsCore.com

Re: Q) Re: DOCBOOK-APPS: Converting from DocBook/SGML to DocBook/XML

2001-07-12 Thread Sebastian Rahtz
Ian Castle writes: > and jadetex simply expanding them, seems fairly natural I can look > at the output of jade and follow through the expansions of those macros > by reading the single jadetex.dtx file... Of course, this doesn't mean you are doing well, then :-} > Passivetex seems to me

Re: Q) Re: DOCBOOK-APPS: Converting from DocBook/SGML to DocBook/XML

2001-07-12 Thread Ian Castle
Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > > Passivetex is perhaps more "arcane" than jadetex - either way, it > > I dont agree. it does not have the bizarre intermediate representation > to fight with > Sorry if I came across as being a bit harsh! I did say *perhaps* ;-). It is probably due to my ignoran

Re: Q) Re: DOCBOOK-APPS: Converting from DocBook/SGML to DocBook/XML

2001-07-12 Thread Dan York
Sebastian, > Ian Castle writes: > > Currently, passivetex is probably happier sat on top of the TeXlive > > distro. Which I don't have - and isn't RPM based which is important to > > I am working on that :-} Cool! RPM-based solutions are *definitely* of interest on this end. Ian, thanks for

Re: Q) Re: DOCBOOK-APPS: Converting from DocBook/SGML to DocBook/XML

2001-07-12 Thread Sebastian Rahtz
Ian Castle writes: > Currently, passivetex is probably happier sat on top of the TeXlive > distro. Which I don't have - and isn't RPM based which is important to I am working on that :-} > Passivetex is perhaps more "arcane" than jadetex - either way, it I dont agree. it does not have the bi

Re: Q) Re: DOCBOOK-APPS: Converting from DocBook/SGML to DocBook/XML

2001-07-12 Thread Ian Castle
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hi, > > Ian Castle wrote: > snip > > But the beauty of the xml stuff is that you can use either XSL or DSSSL > > stylesheets and tools. > > Being fairly new to this, I have a question: > > Is there an advantage in using DSSSL with DocBook Xml? > Does DSSSL

Re: Q) Re: DOCBOOK-APPS: Converting from DocBook/SGML to DocBook/XML

2001-07-12 Thread Dan York
Jeff, > Is there an advantage in using DSSSL with DocBook Xml? The only reason I can see to use DSSSL with DocBook XML would be that you already have the SGML tools installed (i.e. (open)jade) and have done a great amount of customization of DSSSL stylesheets. I do have a DSSSL customization

Re: Q) Re: DOCBOOK-APPS: Converting from DocBook/SGML to DocBook/XML

2001-07-12 Thread Sebastian Rahtz
Kevin Conder writes: > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: > > > not really, no. You have a choice of at least 4 tools [1] to render XSL > > FO > > > > [1] FOP, PassiveTeX, XEP, Antenna House > > Does xsltproc count? No. It's an implementation of XSLT, not XSL FO. Essentia

Re: DOCBOOK-APPS: Converting from DocBook/SGML to DocBook/XML

2001-07-12 Thread Dan York
Richard, > What is involved in converting from DocBook/SGML to DocBook/XML? Just > the header, or is there more serious work? I've done a good bit of this and found it relatively trivial. In fact, now that I have my user manual with the appropriate markup, I can leave it as SGML to use the sta

Re: Q) Re: DOCBOOK-APPS: Converting from DocBook/SGML to DocBook/XML

2001-07-12 Thread Sebastian Rahtz
Ed Nixon writes: > 1. The XEP and Antenna House products are commercial. I've checked into the > pricing and they are way out of line for a small business or individual > consultant's budget. indeed, but they are there if you need them > 2. PassiveTeX may ultimately the most flexible and p

Re: Q) Re: DOCBOOK-APPS: Converting from DocBook/SGML to DocBook/XML

2001-07-12 Thread Ed Nixon
At 01:43 PM 12/07/2001 +0100, Sebastian Rahtz wrote: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Does DSSSL work better than Xsl for rendering PDF? > >not really, no. You have a choice of at least 4 tools [1] to render XSL >FO, and one to render DSSSL. so your chances of success are higher. > >[1] FOP, Pass

Q) Re: DOCBOOK-APPS: Converting from DocBook/SGML to DocBook/XML

2001-07-12 Thread Jeffrey_Franks
Hi, Ian Castle wrote: snip > But the beauty of the xml stuff is that you can use either XSL or DSSSL > stylesheets and tools. Being fairly new to this, I have a question: Is there an advantage in using DSSSL with DocBook Xml? Does DSSSL work better than Xsl for rendering PDF? Are DSSS

Re: Q) Re: DOCBOOK-APPS: Converting from DocBook/SGML to DocBook/XML

2001-07-12 Thread Sebastian Rahtz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Is there an advantage in using DSSSL with DocBook Xml? its another tool in your armoury > Does DSSSL work better than Xsl for rendering PDF? not really, no. You have a choice of at least 4 tools [1] to render XSL FO, and one to render DSSSL. so your chances of succe

Re: DOCBOOK-APPS: Converting from DocBook/SGML to DocBook/XML

2001-07-12 Thread Ian Castle
You *can* use sx (osx) to convert but the output isn't that friendly looking ..I used a simple shell script to convert to lower case. Then patched up the missing closing tags by hand (and the occasional missing double quote around attribute values). Which doesn't take very long at all. I

Re: DOCBOOK-APPS: Converting from DocBook/SGML to DocBook/XML

2001-07-11 Thread David Härdeman
I've done it on some documents and it's really easy, only things that I found to be different the first time was: 1) all tags are in lowercase 2) empty elements are written as I'd browse trough for more info if I were you, then add the xml

Re: DOCBOOK-APPS: Converting from DocBook/SGML to DocBook/XML

2001-07-11 Thread Richard Sharpe
Joe Cooper wrote: > Aha, one I'm finally qualified to answer... > > Changing the header might be enough. It depends on your SGML. XML > enforces closing of tags that might not have been enforced in SGML. It > is also case sensitive, so if you have any old DocBook with Capitalized > tags or

Re: DOCBOOK-APPS: Converting from DocBook/SGML to DocBook/XML

2001-07-11 Thread Joe Cooper
Aha, one I'm finally qualified to answer... Changing the header might be enough. It depends on your SGML. XML enforces closing of tags that might not have been enforced in SGML. It is also case sensitive, so if you have any old DocBook with Capitalized tags or even ALLCAPS tags, you'll have

DOCBOOK-APPS: Converting from DocBook/SGML to DocBook/XML

2001-07-11 Thread Richard Sharpe
Hi, What is involved in converting from DocBook/SGML to DocBook/XML? Just the header, or is there more serious work? -- Richard Sharpe, [EMAIL PROTECTED], LPIC1 www.samba.org, www.ethereal.com, SAMS Teach Yourself Samba in 24 Hours, Special Edition, Using Samba