Re: [Dovecot] Standards of expectations for software installs

2010-08-18 Thread Jerry
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 12:58:38 +0200 Marc Haber articulated: > That depends on what you define "standard". Why do so many software > authors ship a default configuration which violates posix and fhs? Probably due to the fact that while many *.nix/BSD OSs claim to support 'posix' etc. they don't fu

Re: [Dovecot] Standards of expectations for software installs

2010-08-18 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 08:19:03AM +1000, Noel Butler wrote: > I will admit, certain distro vendors such as debian/RH/Fedora/Ubuntu , > do, do much software a dis-service by their hacks and non standard > file locations, That depends on what you define "standard". Why do so many software authors s

Re: [Dovecot] Standards of expectations for software installs

2010-08-17 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Marc Perkel put forth on 8/16/2010 12:22 PM: > No - I'm saying that an upgrade that does exactly the same thing as the > earlier version should "just work" without having to research cryptic > error messages you get after the new software fails to load. What I'm > saying is that Linux should be as

Re: [Dovecot] Standards of expectations for software installs

2010-08-16 Thread Noel Butler
On Mon, 2010-08-16 at 10:22 -0700, Marc Perkel wrote: > a > > > No - I'm saying that an upgrade that does exactly the same thing as the > earlier version should "just work" without having to research cryptic > error messages you get after the new software fails to load. What I'm > saying is tha

Re: [Dovecot] Standards of expectations for software installs

2010-08-16 Thread Thomas Leuxner
Am 16.08.2010 um 19:22 schrieb Marc Perkel: > No - I'm saying that an upgrade that does exactly the same thing as the > earlier version should "just work" without having to research cryptic error > messages you get after the new software fails to load. What I'm saying is > that Linux should be a

Re: [Dovecot] Standards of expectations for software installs

2010-08-16 Thread Marc Perkel
On 8/16/2010 7:37 AM, Thomas Leuxner wrote: On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 07:23:50AM -0700, Marc Perkel wrote: Timo's software standards, and mine, are higher than the average open source project. When an install id done right then you don't have to go to the wiki for anything. You run it and it ju

Re: [Dovecot] Standards of expectations for software installs

2010-08-16 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-08-16 10:23 AM, Marc Perkel wrote: > That's why people pay for Windows and Macs and more people use it > than Linux because it just works. You start an upgrade anf click NEXT > AGREE NEXT NEXT NEXT FINISH and everything just works. That's the way > Linux should be. You're not serious?? I

Re: [Dovecot] Standards of expectations for software installs

2010-08-16 Thread Timo Sirainen
On Mon, 2010-08-16 at 11:42 -0300, Leonardo Rodrigues wrote: > hey Marc, you're not alone !!! As well as you, i also expect > software updates to be always perfect and magic so i dont have to > have a clue of what i'm real doing, as softwares will take care of all > the inteligence tha

Re: [Dovecot] Standards of expectations for software installs

2010-08-16 Thread Leonardo Rodrigues
Em 16/08/2010 11:23, Marc Perkel escreveu: Timo's software standards, and mine, are higher than the average open source project. When an install id done right then you don't have to go to the wiki for anything. You run it and it just works. That's why people pay for Windows and Macs and more

Re: [Dovecot] Standards of expectations for software installs

2010-08-16 Thread Thomas Leuxner
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 07:23:50AM -0700, Marc Perkel wrote: > Timo's software standards, and mine, are higher than the average open > source project. When an install id done right then you don't have to go > to the wiki for anything. You run it and it just works. That's why > people pay for

[Dovecot] Standards of expectations for software installs

2010-08-16 Thread Marc Perkel
On 8/16/2010 4:11 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2010-08-15 12:03 PM, Marc Perkel wrote: Starting Dovecot Imap: Fatal: service(pop3-login) User doesn't exist: dovenull Just some real time feedback. I don't know what dovenull user is or why it is necessary. It would be a lot smoother (and this