Re: [Dovecot] Ok, I've given up

2010-07-15 Thread Steinar Bang
> Phil Howard : > And I fully accept that as a sufficient reason to make a choice. I > made the choice of Dovecot, having zero experience with it, because of > my experience with Courier. Sadly, making such a choice with zero > experience and zero knowledge of either options is the really ha

Re: [Dovecot] Ok, I've given up

2010-07-15 Thread Phil Howard
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 17:49, Steinar Bang wrote: >> Phil Howard : > >> I abandoned sendmail many years ago and haven't looked back.  I tried >> qmail and postfix, and was a lot happier with postfix.  I overlooked >> exim at the time, but from what little I've seen and heard, it should >> be

Re: [Dovecot] Ok, I've given up

2010-07-14 Thread Steinar Bang
> Phil Howard : > I abandoned sendmail many years ago and haven't looked back. I tried > qmail and postfix, and was a lot happier with postfix. I overlooked > exim at the time, but from what little I've seen and heard, it should > be up there with postfix, making for a tough choice if you di

Re: [Dovecot] Ok, I've given up

2010-06-17 Thread Phil Howard
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 04:46, Chuck McManis wrote: > So SMTP hasn't changed much in 30 years ;-) I'd be interested in what you > consider a 'modern' MTA. I've looked pretty thoroughly at sendmail, postfix, > and qmail and of the three qmail is fairly reliable. Not sure what makes a > particular

Re: [Dovecot] Ok, I've given up

2010-06-17 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-06-17 3:33 PM, Chuck McManis wrote: > Its just a FreeBSD 8.0 system with a Marvell 8 port SATA card and a couple > of TB of of SATA drives. Thanks for the response... now I just have to find the time... ;) -- Best regards, Charles

Re: [Dovecot] Ok, I've given up

2010-06-17 Thread Chuck McManis
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: > On 2010-06-17 11:52 AM, Chuck McManis wrote: > > but I've been evaluating a ZFS based file server as well to see if it > > can get the same level of reliability. > > Care to share which one? Or just a FreeBSD based one of your own making? >

Re: [Dovecot] Ok, I've given up

2010-06-17 Thread Jakob Curdes
Spammers are working every day to cause more abuse. Postmasters are trying to stay ahead of them, but we still see that over 90% of all traffic to port 25/tcp is abuse. Hmm, I would rather estimate it to around 99% on our multi-domain mailserver, including the connections we deny at the

Re: [Dovecot] Ok, I've given up

2010-06-17 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-06-17 11:52 AM, Chuck McManis wrote: > but I've been evaluating a ZFS based file server as well to see if it > can get the same level of reliability. Care to share which one? Or just a FreeBSD based one of your own making? I've been considering NexentaStor Comunity Edition. The boss doesn

Re: [Dovecot] Ok, I've given up

2010-06-17 Thread Chuck McManis
Thanks for the response, some snippage to cut down on list traffic ... On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 7:14 AM, /dev/rob0 wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 12:20 AM, /dev/rob0 wrote: > > > 2a. mutt and alpine are both Unix console-based MUAs which > > > understand maildir *and* IMAP. I'm

Re: [Dovecot] Ok, I've given up

2010-06-17 Thread Chuck McManis
Thanks Timo. --Chuck On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 4:34 AM, Timo Sirainen wrote: > On 17.6.2010, at 6.59, Chuck McManis wrote: > > > First, part of this effort was to move off of an APOP infrastructure into > > something more secure against password eavesdropping. To that end I've > > configured Dove

Re: [Dovecot] Ok, I've given up

2010-06-17 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-06-17 4:46 AM, Chuck McManis wrote: > I'd be interested in what you consider a 'modern' MTA. postfix. Sendmail is fine (reasonably well maintained), but much more complicated than postfix. qmail is basically totally unmaintained for many years. > Between that and using tcpserver to simp

Re: [Dovecot] Ok, I've given up

2010-06-17 Thread /dev/rob0
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 01:46:19AM -0700, Chuck McManis wrote: > On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 12:20 AM, /dev/rob0 wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 10:59:55PM -0700, Chuck McManis wrote: > > > In the interest of moving forward on this project > > > > I looked back at your other thread and at this o

Re: [Dovecot] Ok, I've given up

2010-06-17 Thread Peter Risdon
On 17/06/10 14:11, William Blunn wrote: Peter Risdon wrote: Tarsnap is worth glancing at: http://www.tarsnap.com/ They appear to use S3 as their back-end :-) That's right, thought it might be relevant. It's written by Colin Percival, FreeBSD's security officer. They charge $0.30 / GB.m

Re: [Dovecot] Ok, I've given up

2010-06-17 Thread William Blunn
Peter Risdon wrote: Tarsnap is worth glancing at: http://www.tarsnap.com/ They appear to use S3 as their back-end :-) They charge $0.30 / GB.month compared to $0.15 / GB.month for S3, which would seem to be within the bounds of reason if they are effectively mapping S3 space into something

Re: [Dovecot] Ok, I've given up

2010-06-17 Thread Peter Risdon
On 17/06/10 13:33, William Blunn wrote: Ed W wrote: How are you backing up to S3? Most of the options I have seen have some serious issues that limit reliable full backups? Its been on my todo list for some time now to fix the C s3fs implementation that you find here: http://code.google.com/p

Re: [Dovecot] Ok, I've given up

2010-06-17 Thread William Blunn
Ed W wrote: How are you backing up to S3? Most of the options I have seen have some serious issues that limit reliable full backups? Its been on my todo list for some time now to fix the C s3fs implementation that you find here: http://code.google.com/p/s3fs/ - code is shocking and could easi

Re: [Dovecot] Ok, I've given up

2010-06-17 Thread Ed W
On 17/06/2010 12:19, William Blunn wrote: Rent a virtual machine (e.g. Xen based). This saves you having to make capital expenditure on hardware (= keeps the bean counter happy). I haven't found virtual machines to be especially price efficient when you need plenty of storage available? Do

Re: [Dovecot] Ok, I've given up

2010-06-17 Thread Timo Sirainen
On 17.6.2010, at 6.59, Chuck McManis wrote: > First, part of this effort was to move off of an APOP infrastructure into > something more secure against password eavesdropping. To that end I've > configured Dovecot with simply: > > protocols = pop3 > service pop3-login { > inet_listener pop3s { >

Re: [Dovecot] Ok, I've given up

2010-06-17 Thread William Blunn
Chuck McManis wrote: Out of curiosity, lets say you were given the task I've set for myself which is described thusly: Provide a system that gives shell and email service to a dozen users, hosts perhaps 15 or so mailing lists, provides DNS for 20 - 30 machines. Preferred OS and what makes it

Re: [Dovecot] Ok, I've given up

2010-06-17 Thread Ed W
On 17/06/2010 09:46, Chuck McManis wrote: Out of curiosity, lets say you were given the task I've set for myself which is described thusly: Provide a system that gives shell and email service to a dozen users, hosts perhaps 15 or so mailing lists, provides DNS for 20 - 30 machines. Preferred O

Re: [Dovecot] Ok, I've given up

2010-06-17 Thread Chuck McManis
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 12:20 AM, /dev/rob0 wrote: > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 10:59:55PM -0700, Chuck McManis wrote: > > In the interest of moving forward on this project > > I looked back at your other thread and at this one, and, hmmm. I > invite you to join us in the new millennium. > > 1. POP3

Re: [Dovecot] Ok, I've given up

2010-06-17 Thread /dev/rob0
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 10:59:55PM -0700, Chuck McManis wrote: > In the interest of moving forward on this project I looked back at your other thread and at this one, and, hmmm. I invite you to join us in the new millennium. 1. POP3 sucks. IMAP can do everything POP3 can do, and many things P