Re: [Dri-devel] Parallelizing MESA's pipeline?

2002-11-29 Thread Felix Kühling
Hi, I got pretty excited about this idea and spent some more thought on it. I'm going to share my insights in this mail. Any comments are appreciated. First some high level considerations. Having each pipeline stage in a separate thread would lead to a large number of threads (e.g. 9 in the case

Re: [Dri-devel] Parallelizing MESA's pipeline?

2002-11-29 Thread Ian Molton
On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 10:19:52 +0100 Felix Kühling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think this task is not trivial but feasible. It would allow SMP systems to benefit from the inherent parallelism in the rendering process. Sounds pretty sweet. now make a patch ;-)

Re: [Dri-devel] trunk (Mesa-5.0): Some preliminary results on topof 2.5.49-mm1

2002-11-29 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Don, 2002-11-28 at 16:51, Brian Paul wrote: Michel Dänzer wrote: On Mit, 2002-11-27 at 08:32, Dieter Nützel wrote: TaskParallelismWithPorts The colors of the polyhedron in the middle are missing. With LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT or R200_NO_TCL they are fine. Some small screenshots could be

Re: [Dri-devel] Parallelizing MESA's pipeline?

2002-11-29 Thread Jos Fonseca
On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 10:19:52AM +0100, Felix Kühling wrote: Hi, I got pretty excited about this idea and spent some more thought on it. I'm going to share my insights in this mail. Any comments are appreciated. First some high level considerations. Having each pipeline stage in a

Re: [Dri-devel] Parallelizing MESA's pipeline?

2002-11-29 Thread Felix Kühling
On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 11:15:19 + José Fonseca [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 10:19:52AM +0100, Felix Kühling wrote: Hi, I got pretty excited about this idea and spent some more thought on it. I'm going to share my insights in this mail. Any comments are

Re: [Dri-devel] Parallelizing MESA's pipeline?

2002-11-29 Thread Felix Kühling
On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 11:15:19 + José Fonseca [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 10:19:52AM +0100, Felix Kühling wrote: [snip] I think that one thing that must be thought is whether the parallelism should be in the pipeline stages or in the pipeline data, i.e., if we should

Re: [Dri-devel] Parallelizing MESA's pipeline?

2002-11-29 Thread Jos Fonseca
On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 01:13:22PM +0100, Felix Kühling wrote: On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 11:15:19 + José Fonseca [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that one thing that must be thought is whether the parallelism should be in the pipeline stages or in the pipeline data, i.e., if we I am not

Re: [Dri-devel] Parallelizing MESA's pipeline?

2002-11-29 Thread Felix Kühling
On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 13:20:45 + José Fonseca [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Let'me ilustrate with an example. Image you have 1000 polygons to process (i.e., transform, clip, build vertex buffers, and render). If you have a SMP computer with 4 processors you can make use of parallelism

Re: [Dri-devel] Parallelizing MESA's pipeline?

2002-11-29 Thread Brian Paul
Felix Kühling wrote: My approach was basically inspired by the fact that there is something in mesa that is called pipeline. So I thought, why not implement it like a real pipeline. If we really want to parallelize MESA, then we should consider all options. I'm probably biased towards my

Re: [Dri-devel] trunk (Mesa-5.0): Some preliminary results on topof 2.5.49-mm1

2002-11-29 Thread Brian Paul
Michel Dänzer wrote: On Don, 2002-11-28 at 16:51, Brian Paul wrote: Michel Dänzer wrote: On Mit, 2002-11-27 at 08:32, Dieter Nützel wrote: TaskParallelismWithPorts The colors of the polyhedron in the middle are missing. With LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT or R200_NO_TCL they are fine. Some small

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Re: [Dri-devel] Parallelizing MESA's pipeline?

2002-11-29 Thread Felix Kühling
On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 07:55:52 -0700 Brian Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Felix Kühling wrote: My approach was basically inspired by the fact that there is something in mesa that is called pipeline. So I thought, why not implement it like a real pipeline. If we really want to parallelize

[Dri-devel] trunk and glaxium

2002-11-29 Thread Bret Towe
last night i installed glaxium (0.5) for the first time and was playing it runs great however when i move the window it freezes x within a minute sometimes even less but as long as i dont move the window it plays fine this is a radeon 7500 (built by ati card) pageflipping is enabled i dont know

Re: [Dri-devel] trunk (Mesa-5.0): Some preliminary results on top of 2.5.49-mm1

2002-11-29 Thread Dieter Nützel
Am Freitag, 29. November 2002 16:27 schrieb Brian Paul: Michel Dänzer wrote: On Don, 2002-11-28 at 16:51, Brian Paul wrote: Michel Dänzer wrote: On Mit, 2002-11-27 at 08:32, Dieter Nützel wrote: TaskParallelismWithPorts The colors of the polyhedron in the middle are missing. With

Re: [Dri-devel] trunk and glaxium

2002-11-29 Thread Dieter Ntzel
Am Freitag, 29. November 2002 18:37 schrieb Bret Towe: last night i installed glaxium (0.5) for the first time and was playing it runs great however when i move the window it freezes x within a minute sometimes even less but as long as i dont move the window it plays fine this is a radeon

Re: [Dri-devel] trunk (Mesa-5.0): Some preliminary results on top of 2.5.49-mm1

2002-11-29 Thread Felix Kühling
On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 19:02:14 +0100 Dieter Nützel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But if it works correctly with RADEON_TCL_FORCE_DISABLE that indicates that the Mesa code is correct. How is it called for the r200? RADEON_TCL_FORCE_DISABLE / R200_TCL_FORCE_DISABLE both didn't work. R200_NO_TCL.

[Dri-devel] New ATI FireGL drivers announced (2.5.1)

2002-11-29 Thread Alexander Stohr
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Re: [Dri-devel] Parallelizing MESA's pipeline?

2002-11-29 Thread Ian Molton
On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 14:54:30 +0100 Felix Kühling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When the red polygons are to be run through the pipeline and the blue ones aren't finished yet What if the red ones are transparent and overlap the blue ones? they will have to wait, but perhaps not all of them? how

Re: [Dri-devel] Parallelizing MESA's pipeline?

2002-11-29 Thread Ian Molton
On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 13:20:45 + José Fonseca [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nevertheless, it isn't worth if you're processing 50 polygons at at time. Still if you have 50 polygons in blue, 50 in red, and 50 in texture A, and you run all them seperately in different processors will probably

Re: [Dri-devel] Parallelizing MESA's pipeline?

2002-11-29 Thread Ian Molton
On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 16:59:16 +0100 Felix Kühling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A hardware TCL driver like the radeon or r200 won't benefit from this. That's not quite true. With what I have in mind, the OpenGL client could continue while another thread is submitting the vertex data to the TCL

Re: [Dri-devel] Parallelizing MESA's pipeline?

2002-11-29 Thread Ian Molton
On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 16:59:16 +0100 Felix Kühling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I hardly see 100% CPU usage with 3D applications on my Radeon 7500. Heh me either. Q3 uses bugger all CPU here. that said, the xmms default GL plugin uses 100% and its NOT software rendering.

Re: [Dri-devel] New ATI FireGL drivers announced (2.5.1)

2002-11-29 Thread Ian Molton
On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 21:40:13 +0100 Alexander Stohr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, driver version 2.5.1 has gone life. Now the FireGL, the Built by ATI _and_ (newly) the Powered by ATI boards will run. will these drivers coexist nicely with DRI ? if so, I'd like to try them, just for

Re: [Dri-devel] trunk (Mesa-5.0): Some preliminary results on top of 2.5.49-mm1

2002-11-29 Thread Dieter Nützel
Am Freitag, 29. November 2002 19:38 schrieb Felix Kühling: On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 19:02:14 +0100 Dieter Nützel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But if it works correctly with RADEON_TCL_FORCE_DISABLE that indicates that the Mesa code is correct. How is it called for the r200?

Re: [Dri-devel] Parallelizing MESA's pipeline?

2002-11-29 Thread Felix Kühling
On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 22:46:08 + Ian Molton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 14:54:30 +0100 Felix Kühling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When the red polygons are to be run through the pipeline and the blue ones aren't finished yet What if the red ones are transparent and

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