Re: [dwm] dwm-5.1 / dmenu-3.8 / sic-1.0 / slock-0.9 / sselp-0.2

2008-07-29 Thread Deleuze
Hi folks, > Hi there, > I'm glad to announce a bunch of new releases: > http://code.suckless.org/dl/dwm/dwm-5.1.tar.gz > http://code.suckless.org/dl/tools/dmenu-3.8.tar.gz > http://code.suckless.org/dl/tools/sic-1.0.tar.gz any Changelog for sic? I currently fiddle with diff(1) but want i

Re: [dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread John Mpanos
It was a funny line to read when i first visited suckless.org. Based on the amount of information on the whole site, i would say that the aforementioned sentences were merely a joke at the time of their writing. As for all the previous posts, and not a specific one in particular, just one comment.

Re: [dwm] dwm-5.1 / dmenu-3.8 / sic-1.0 / slock-0.9 / sselp-0.2

2008-07-29 Thread Alex Matviychuk
> There were also some minor changes to config.h, please use diff(1) > when upgrading your 5.0.1 config.h in order to prevent bugs. How do I map togglemax? Is it still around? Thanks, Alex

Re: [dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread Eric Davis
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 08:41:09AM -0500, Kurt H Maier wrote: > > > > Yes, we are participating in a simple wm project, and the fewer idiots > we have marching onto this mailing list and demanding ridiculous > feature-creep and handholding, the longer it will *remain* a simple wm > project. dwm's

Re: [dwm] dwm-5.1 / dmenu-3.8 / sic-1.0 / slock-0.9 / sselp-0.2

2008-07-29 Thread Antoni Grzymala
Tuncer Ayaz dixit (2008-07-29, 21:04): > > Mod1-t (tiled) > > Mod1-f (floating) > > Mod1-m (monocle) > > Just because I'm curious: Am I the only one using readline (shell, etc.) > with Emacs key bindings and am therefore always remapping/deleting some > default dwm key bindings? I'm very fond of

Re: [dwm] dwm-5.1 / dmenu-3.8 / sic-1.0 / slock-0.9 / sselp-0.2

2008-07-29 Thread Tuncer Ayaz
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Mate Nagy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, >> Just because I'm curious: Am I the only one using readline (shell, etc.) >> with Emacs key bindings and am therefore always remapping/deleting some >> default dwm key bindings? >> >> Or is everyone using readline in v

Re: [dwm] dwm-5.1 / dmenu-3.8 / sic-1.0 / slock-0.9 / sselp-0.2

2008-07-29 Thread Mate Nagy
Hello, > Just because I'm curious: Am I the only one using readline (shell, etc.) > with Emacs key bindings and am therefore always remapping/deleting some > default dwm key bindings? > > Or is everyone using readline in vi mode? we're using Mod4 as modkey. M.

Re: [dwm] dwm-5.1 / dmenu-3.8 / sic-1.0 / slock-0.9 / sselp-0.2

2008-07-29 Thread Tuncer Ayaz
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 8:48 PM, Anselm R Garbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi there, > > I'm glad to announce a bunch of new releases: > > http://code.suckless.org/dl/dwm/dwm-5.1.tar.gz > http://code.suckless.org/dl/tools/dmenu-3.8.tar.gz > http://code.suckless.org/dl/tools/sic-1.0.tar.gz > h

Re: [dwm] DockBox - A Tiling Window Manager for Windows

2008-07-29 Thread Tuncer Ayaz
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 6:00 PM, T Biehn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > non open sores ftw You're right. The site seems to work now and I also can't find a source link. Therefore I'll guess that it's not based on any of the bb4win sources which are AFAIK GPL licensed. Anyway, it's cool that the til

[dwm] dwm-5.1 / dmenu-3.8 / sic-1.0 / slock-0.9 / sselp-0.2

2008-07-29 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi there, I'm glad to announce a bunch of new releases: http://code.suckless.org/dl/dwm/dwm-5.1.tar.gz http://code.suckless.org/dl/tools/dmenu-3.8.tar.gz http://code.suckless.org/dl/tools/sic-1.0.tar.gz http://code.suckless.org/dl/tools/slock-0.9.tar.gz http://code.suckless.org/dl/tools

Re: [dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread Lee Azzarello
First post! I recommend this for advanced reading http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/ -lee On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Evan Gates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Personally I don't really care about the elitist clause; let the software > do the speaking. When I was new to suckless.org I liked w

Re: [dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread Evan Gates
Personally I don't really care about the elitist clause; let the software do the speaking. When I was new to suckless.org I liked what they had to say, but all in all it was the code that got me hooked. Sure, some people in the community are dicks at times. When I was new I got flamed on IRC for

Re: [dwm] 5.1 is on its way

2008-07-29 Thread Antony Jepson
Anselm, On 2008-07-29, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > Hi there, > > I investigated into some fullscreen application issues which were the > reason for rescheduling the 5.1 release. > One issue is that theyoutube browser plugin fullscreen (1) mode ins't > working, another issue is that certain apps like

Re: [dwm] DockBox - A Tiling Window Manager for Windows

2008-07-29 Thread T Biehn
non open sores ftw On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:08 AM, Tuncer Ayaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I stumbled upon another win32 tiling WM today (except dwm on CygX11 :D) > and thought I might mention it here for anyone interested. > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=1BMHq1X2sg0 > http://dockbox.demonastery.

Re: [dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread Szabolcs Nagy
On 7/29/08, Antony Jepson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I say keep the sentence on the dwm homepage. It makes a statement and a > clear one at that. reading back the thread, the wording could be softer to offend less ppl s/No novices asking stupid questions/No novices asking silly questions/ acc

[dwm] 5.1 is on its way

2008-07-29 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi there, I investigated into some fullscreen application issues which were the reason for rescheduling the 5.1 release. One issue is that theyoutube browser plugin fullscreen (1) mode ins't working, another issue is that certain apps like acroread draw a 1px border on top and left window side (2

Re: [dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread Antony Jepson
On 2008-07-29, Alexander Polakov wrote: > Who cares? suckless.org cares about code quality, not public relations. > I found out once that more elitist community is *always* more heplful > then polite and friendly one. > -- > Alexander Polakov | http://rootshell.be/~polachok/ I agree. Don't ask u

Re: [dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread Filippo Erik Negroni
I think we should be mindful of the words we use in public places, being that the wiki or the mailing list. After living in the UK for more than 10 years, I feel the word 'stupid' to be too strong a word in that context. And please, let's lower the tone of these posts. Swearing is *not* a way to ge

Re: [dwm] Customisation page on wiki

2008-07-29 Thread Filippo Erik Negroni
2008/7/29 Antony Jepson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Mr. Negroni, > Are you planning on linking config.h, config.def.h, config.mk, and dwm > to something because, honestly, bolding every occurrence of those > keywords is a bit distracting. > > Apart from that, the customisation section looks promising -

Re: [dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread markus schnalke
[2008-07-29 10:22] Bill Puschmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Oh, and relax about the flamewar. Elitists love that sort of thing. So, I'm not an elitist! ... but I'll continue using dwm though. meillo signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: [dwm] Customisation page on wiki

2008-07-29 Thread Antony Jepson
Mr. Negroni, On 2008-07-29, Filippo Erik Negroni wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I have started building a subsection in the dwm wiki site called > Customisation. The content is aimed at the more inexperienced users > of dwm and shows how they can customise dwm by modifying its source > code. I just

Re: [dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread Bill Puschmann
And now it's all devolving into name calling. > I can't figure out why you typed this except as an attack vector. Possibly. It could very easily be read that way. However, > I see no reason to redact statements just because some whiners think > everything on the internet should be a social-net

Re: [dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread markus schnalke
[2008-07-29 14:21] Anselm R Garbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I believe I need to make some releases very soon, to stop this thread ;) I'm sorry it became a flamewar, that was not intended :-( It's sad to read some of the things I read in this thread. It's sad, but it's how it is. Seems like the p

Re: [dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread Mate Nagy
> I would like to propose adding xft support and gnome systray support to dwm. > And also sound effects. Neat idea. Also, someone could write a config editor that patched the binary (like what Dehacked did to the old DOS DOOM). M.

Re: [dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread Jeremy O'Brien
Well this little exchange has made my morning quite entertaining. :) I would like to propose adding xft support and gnome systray support to dwm. And also sound effects. On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 09:41, Kurt H Maier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 8:14 AM, Antoni Grzymala <[EM

Re: [dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 8:14 AM, Antoni Grzymala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To sum up: I really cannot understand what's so cool in being a dick. > And a rather softish one, too. This may come as a huge shock, but not everyone is motivated by a need to look cool on the internet. > Being a non-d

Re: [dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread Anselm R Garbe
I believe I need to make some releases very soon, to stop this thread ;) --Anselm

Re: [dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread Antoni Grzymala
Kurt H Maier dixit (2008-07-29, 07:36): > I approve of deliberate elitism, and the dwm/suckless community is > justifiably arrogant because they use better software than other > people. > > I see no reason to redact statements just because some whiners think > everything on the internet should be

Re: [dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread Kurt H Maier
I approve of deliberate elitism, and the dwm/suckless community is justifiably arrogant because they use better software than other people. I see no reason to redact statements just because some whiners think everything on the internet should be a social-networking hugfest. If they want a commun

Re: [dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread yy
>From The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03) : elite 1. A term used to describe skilled crackers or hackers, or their deeds. In the last sense, compare to elegant. So, I think we can tell this community is elitist, and dunno why it should be a prob

Re: [dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread Frederic Jaeckel
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:27:24 +0200 markus schnalke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [2008-07-29 11:35] Szabolcs Nagy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [...] > > I disagree here in global for the simple reason, that you should never > kick people off, because _you_ think it doesnt suite to them! > You can tell them

Re: [dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread Alexander Polakov
* markus schnalke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080729 14:20]: > Hoi community, > > the website ( http://www.suckless.org/dwm ) contains the following > words: > > "This keeps its userbase small and elitist. No novices asking stupid > questions." > > Please discuss about removing, or altering

Re: [dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread markus schnalke
[2008-07-29 11:35] Szabolcs Nagy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On 7/29/08, Anselm R Garbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2008/7/29 markus schnalke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >>"This keeps its userbase small and elitist. No novices asking > >> stupid > >>questions." > > > > Well, I removed this

Re: [dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread pancake
> For the meantime the statement has been restored in the original place ;) ow yeah ;)

Re: [dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread Anselm R Garbe
2008/7/29 Anselm R Garbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> I see how it can be offensive, however there is a message there which >> is important to the suckless philosophy/mission. >> >> 1.) dwm favours those who can appreciate (or even admire) the nice >> code of it and not those who cry when "some multi-fo

Re: [dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread Anselm R Garbe
2008/7/29 Tobias Ulmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 09:44:46AM +0100, Anselm R Garbe wrote: >> Hi, >> >> 2008/7/29 markus schnalke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >"This keeps its userbase small and elitist. No novices asking stupid >> >questions." >> >> Well, I removed th

Re: [dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread Anselm R Garbe
2008/7/29 Szabolcs Nagy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 7/29/08, Anselm R Garbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> 2008/7/29 markus schnalke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>>"This keeps its userbase small and elitist. No novices asking >>> stupid >>>questions." >> >> Well, I removed this stat

Re: [dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread Szabolcs Nagy
On 7/29/08, Anselm R Garbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > 2008/7/29 markus schnalke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>"This keeps its userbase small and elitist. No novices asking >> stupid >>questions." > > Well, I removed this statement, now. It was on purpose 2 years ago, > though. It

Re: [dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread Tobias Ulmer
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 09:44:46AM +0100, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > Hi, > > 2008/7/29 markus schnalke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >"This keeps its userbase small and elitist. No novices asking stupid > >questions." > > Well, I removed this statement, now. It was on purpose 2 years ago, >

[dwm] DockBox - A Tiling Window Manager for Windows

2008-07-29 Thread Tuncer Ayaz
I stumbled upon another win32 tiling WM today (except dwm on CygX11 :D) and thought I might mention it here for anyone interested. http://youtube.com/watch?v=1BMHq1X2sg0 http://dockbox.demonastery.org/ (seems down here) cached: http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:TSAxp1h0qkEJ:dockbox.demonastery

Re: [dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread Mate Nagy
Hello, > We are publishing a software for the masses: we make it available and > have a website for it, a mailing list, a wiki, and a mercurial > repository. > There is nothing elitist about that. > The fact that we have to modify the source to customise the product is IMHO, you're staggeringly wr

Re: [dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread Richard Pöttler
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Anselm R Garbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/7/29 markus schnalke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>"This keeps its userbase small and elitist. No novices asking stupid >>questions." > > Well, I removed this statement, now. It was on purpose 2 years ago, >

Re: [dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread Filippo Erik Negroni
2008/7/29 Anselm R Garbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi, > > 2008/7/29 markus schnalke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>"This keeps its userbase small and elitist. No novices asking stupid >>questions." > > Well, I removed this statement, now. It was on purpose 2 years ago, > though. It wasn't int

Re: [dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread markus schnalke
[2008-07-29 09:44] Anselm R Garbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 2008/7/29 markus schnalke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >"This keeps its userbase small and elitist. No novices asking stupid > >questions." > > Well, I removed this statement, now. It was on purpose 2 years ago, > though. It wasn't

Re: [dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread Antoni Grzymala
Anselm R Garbe dixit (2008-07-29, 09:44): > Well, I removed this statement, now. It was on purpose 2 years ago, > though. It wasn't intended as offense, however. > > I might restore this statement, if a new user shows up proposing or > asking for a configuration file format. How about adding a d

Re: [dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi, 2008/7/29 markus schnalke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >"This keeps its userbase small and elitist. No novices asking stupid >questions." Well, I removed this statement, now. It was on purpose 2 years ago, though. It wasn't intended as offense, however. I might restore this statement

Re: [dwm] dmenu, slock patches; slock DPMS crash

2008-07-29 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi Steven, yes the release is on its way, apart from other releases. Kind regards, Anselm 2008/7/29 Steven Blatchford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi Anselm, > I was using slock v0.8[1] and received the error below. The code in hg > tip fixed the problem. Anselm can you release v0.9 with these fixes

Re: [dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread Antoni Grzymala
Mate Nagy dixit (2008-07-29, 09:58): >> "This keeps its userbase small and elitist. No novices asking stupid >> questions." > i wholeheartedly support these words. >> Please discuss about removing, or altering that. >> The reason is, that I met people who thought, that the dwm-/suckle

Re: [dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread Mate Nagy
Greetings, > "This keeps its userbase small and elitist. No novices asking stupid > questions." i wholeheartedly support these words. > Please discuss about removing, or altering that. > The reason is, that I met people who thought, that the dwm-/suckless- > community is arrogant. They

Re: [dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread Filippo Erik Negroni
2008/7/29 markus schnalke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hoi community, > > the website ( http://www.suckless.org/dwm ) contains the following > words: > >"This keeps its userbase small and elitist. No novices asking stupid >questions." > > Please discuss about removing, or altering that. >

[dwm] Being not so elitist

2008-07-29 Thread markus schnalke
Hoi community, the website ( http://www.suckless.org/dwm ) contains the following words: "This keeps its userbase small and elitist. No novices asking stupid questions." Please discuss about removing, or altering that. The reason is, that I met people who thought, that the dwm-/s

Re: [dwm] fibonacci layout patch [update for dwm-5.0.1]

2008-07-29 Thread Donald Chai
Attached is a slightly different implementation of the fibonacci() function that respects `mfact' for the master window [and lets you resize your master window with M-j M-k] This worked under hg tip (1314). Comments, insights welcome. --Madhu --snip-- Here's one that uses 'mfact' throughout. (

[dwm] Customisation page on wiki

2008-07-29 Thread Filippo Erik Negroni
Hi everyone, I have started building a subsection in the dwm wiki site called Customisation. The content is aimed at the more inexperienced users of dwm and shows how they can customise dwm by modifying its source code. I just put the example for changing the font for now, but I already have 5 oth