Re: [ECOLOG-L] FW: [ECOLOG-L] GRE Scores In Picking a PhD Student. Do they Matter?

2014-09-05 Thread Anna Goldman
The topic of the GRE is an incredibly large one with many varied opinions. Everyone has the right to have their own ideas on what makes a good student and how you gauge that in advance. However, we as the "deciders" must think about the impact on the future of the scientific community. We are selec

Re: [ECOLOG-L] FW: [ECOLOG-L] GRE Scores In Picking a PhD Student. Do they Matter?

2014-09-05 Thread Yijun Xu
ission becomes even more questionable." -Original Message- From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news [mailto:ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU] On Behalf Of Terryhbell Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 7:45 AM To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] FW: [ECOLOG-L] GRE Scores

Re: [ECOLOG-L] FW: [ECOLOG-L] GRE Scores In Picking a PhD Student. Do they Matter?

2014-09-05 Thread Gary Grossman
After skimming the GRE "justification" document provided by the ETS link in the post below I couldn't help thinking that I've heard these arguments somewhere before, yes, yes, that's it "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" so maybe it's "GRE's don't keep people out of grad programs, people

Re: [ECOLOG-L] FW: [ECOLOG-L] GRE Scores In Picking a PhD Student. Do they Matter?

2014-09-05 Thread Andrew Wright
Hi all, Since I was chosen at random by Phil, I feel a reply may be warranted. My post was, indirectly, about what to do when the metrics at hand collide. Simply, take all else over GREs, for all the various reasons given in the chain (e.g., possible to learn the tricks instead of the subjects, he

Re: [ECOLOG-L] FW: [ECOLOG-L] GRE Scores In Picking a PhD Student. Do they Matter?

2014-09-05 Thread Terryhbell
You can question the source, but here is one study on the subject: https://www.ets.org/research/policy_research_reports/publications/report/2005/hsiu Terry Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 4, 2014, at 8:39 PM, "Ganter, Philip" wrote: > > Well, lets examine the reasoning in this last post (for con

Re: [ECOLOG-L] FW: [ECOLOG-L] GRE Scores In Picking a PhD Student. Do they Matter?

2014-09-05 Thread Rodger
Hello All, Of course they matter. They matter because they're part of the selective environment created by graduate admission committees. I'd like to ask the daring question, "How do admission committees evaluate their use of GRE scores for their admission decisions?". For this, I wo

[ECOLOG-L] FW: [ECOLOG-L] GRE Scores In Picking a PhD Student. Do they Matter?

2014-09-05 Thread Ganter, Philip
Well, lets examine the reasoning in this last post (for convenience -- parallels can be found in several posts in this thread). GREs don't work for some. Scrap them. So we establish the precedent that, if a measure does not always predict the ability of an applicant, it is worthless. Lets ap