Re: [ECOLOG-L] stealing from websites

2009-05-15 Thread john polo
Dear list, I haven't seen this item mentioned yet and when I did, I thought of the current content/copyright discussion. "Sir John Sulston, Nobel prize winner and one of the architects of the Human Genome Project, has teamed up with Bloomsbury to edit a new series of books that will look at

Re: [ECOLOG-L] stealing from websites; educational use

2009-05-15 Thread JK Nielsen
illustrators and asked for permission, always getting a kind reply with "yes". Best regards, Jan Nielsen > Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 01:27:13 -0400 > From: d...@fuzzo.com > Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] stealing from websites; educational use > To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU > &

Re: [ECOLOG-L] stealing from websites

2009-05-15 Thread David M. Lawrence
copied or stolen. But if there is no real loss involved, I am not very sympathetic, and I also think that when a copy is properly acknowledged, they benefit even if they did not give prior authorisation. Bill Silvert ----- Original Message - From: "Jane Shevtsov" To: Sent: Thurs

Re: [ECOLOG-L] stealing from websites; educational use

2009-05-15 Thread malcolm McCallum
True, however, if you do not a fix it, you can place yourself at risk of losing your claim do to "innocent infringement" An innocent infringer is someone who has authored a work which infringesĀ a prior protected work, but where the author did not realize he/she was infringing the protected work. Th

Re: [ECOLOG-L] stealing from websites; educational use

2009-05-15 Thread David M. Lawrence
Note that the segment of the Copyright Act does NOT say that things posted without said notice are "technically open for use by anyone." The bottom line, if you can SEE it, you should assume it is copyrighted, unless you know it to be in the public domain. Dave malcolm McCallum wrote: copyri

Re: [ECOLOG-L] stealing from websites; educational use

2009-05-15 Thread malcolm McCallum
copyrighted? yes. but read: Chapter 4, section 401 of the current US copyright law. regarding visually perceptible copies, specifically part (d) where it discusses evidentiary weight of the notice. If you have it, the person who uses it w/o permission has virtually no defense in a court case (if

[ECOLOG-L] Internet potential yet to be realized Re: [ECOLOG-L] stealing from websites

2009-05-15 Thread Wayne Tyson
WT "They tell us we are wasting TIME--but we are wasting our LIVES!" --Eric Hoffer - Original Message - From: "David Duffy" To: Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] stealing from websites Save the web! steal this picture? The web was

Re: [ECOLOG-L] stealing from websites

2009-05-15 Thread Jane Shevtsov
also of course photos are often the >> primary data in studies of these animals. >> >> I respect the rights of those who expect to profit from their work and who >> lose out when their photos or other materials are copied or stolen. But if >> there is no real loss in

Re: [ECOLOG-L] stealing from websites; educational use

2009-05-14 Thread David La Puma
just to add to Bob's comment about flickr, you can also use the Creative Commons search engine (which is really a portal to many search engines, including flickr) http://search.creativecommons.org/ With flickr it's much easier to get fast and correct results, since it has CC built right into it...

Re: [ECOLOG-L] stealing from websites

2009-05-14 Thread David Duffy
y acknowledged, they benefit even if they did not give prior authorisation. Bill Silvert - Original Message ----- From: "Jane Shevtsov" To: Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] stealing from websites Jim, Please note that what follows is meant mainly as a gene

Re: [ECOLOG-L] stealing from websites; educational use

2009-05-14 Thread Sarah Goslee
Two quick corrections malcolm McCallum wrote: > Anything that is posted on the internet without > > Copyright (c) YEAR. NAME OF COPYRIGHT HOLDER. > > is technically open for use by anyone. I got this directly from the > copyright office a few years back. Must have been quite a few: changes to

Re: [ECOLOG-L] stealing from websites

2009-05-14 Thread William Silvert
d have become a successful writer and editor. Bill Silvert - Original Message - From: "David M. Lawrence" To: Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] stealing from websites Now I'll argue the opposite of what I posted the other day :) While I am la

Re: [ECOLOG-L] stealing from websites; educational use

2009-05-14 Thread Tom Cuba
I apologize for getting into this late and not reading all the previous posts, but has anyone considered that any photograph taken as a result of work funded by public dollars (grants, University salaries) would be / should be public domain? Your tax dollar at work? Credits would be appropria

Re: [ECOLOG-L] stealing from websites; educational use

2009-05-14 Thread David M. Lawrence
malcolm McCallum wrote: > Most figures from textbooks are now open use at the textbook companies push. > they were spending a lot getting and keeping records of permissions > and gave up some years ago. > Anything that is posted on the internet without > > Copyright (c) YEAR. NAME OF COPYRIGHT H

Re: [ECOLOG-L] stealing from websites

2009-05-14 Thread Adolf & Oluna Ceska
What is meant by "stealing" and by the "ownership"? It depends on the author of the original photo or illustration, and even on the author's institution. I considered a courtesy to ask whether or not I could use a scan of a picture from the published book in my PowerPoint presentation and the aut

Re: [ECOLOG-L] stealing from websites

2009-05-14 Thread David M. Lawrence
ympathetic, and I also think that when a copy is properly acknowledged, they benefit even if they did not give prior authorisation. Bill Silvert - Original Message - From: "Jane Shevtsov" To: Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] stealing

Re: [ECOLOG-L] stealing from websites; educational use

2009-05-14 Thread malcolm McCallum
Most figures from textbooks are now open use at the textbook companies push. they were spending a lot getting and keeping records of permissions and gave up some years ago. Anything that is posted on the internet without Copyright (c) YEAR. NAME OF COPYRIGHT HOLDER. is technically open for use by

Re: [ECOLOG-L] stealing from websites; educational use

2009-05-14 Thread Anon.
MaryBeth Voltura wrote: I would be interested in the list's opinion of this type of project, and how best to allow students to create interesting and educational websites without violating fair use of images. Obviously, they are not going to be able to obtain their own pictures of red kangaroos

Re: [ECOLOG-L] stealing from websites; educational use

2009-05-14 Thread MaryBeth Voltura
This semester, I had students in my physiological ecology course create websites as a class project. They chose an animal and an environmental stressor, and discussed the physiological mechanisms the species has to handle the stressor. They presented information on natural history, and also resul

Re: [ECOLOG-L] stealing from websites

2009-05-14 Thread William Silvert
Shevtsov" To: Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] stealing from websites Jim, Please note that what follows is meant mainly as a general discussion of intellectual property, not of your particular case. "Why would you think that you can use my hard work wit

Re: [ECOLOG-L] stealing from websites

2009-05-13 Thread Marcus Griswold
I would not have a problem with someone using my images that were related to my research. However, since I have a photography business on the side, I would not be pleased to see my photos used without acknowledgement. I think this is mostly an issue with print media - even organizations such as Na

Re: [ECOLOG-L] stealing from websites

2009-05-13 Thread Jane Shevtsov
Jim, Please note that what follows is meant mainly as a general discussion of intellectual property, not of your particular case. "Why would you think that you can use my hard work without asking?" For the same reason you can cite or quote a paper of mine without asking -- even if you're using i