Re: ECOLOGY Mathematics and the metamathematics of evasive ecology? Re: Request: Data sets for biocalculus project

2007-07-21 Thread Wayne Tyson
ented a fascinating theory of fish >population dynamics. When I pointed out that one of his assumptions about >recruitment was wrong, he just shrugged and replied "Then fish aren't very >interesting, are they?". Such people can safely be ignored. > >Bill

Re: ECOLOGY Mathematics and the metamathematics of evasive ecology? Re: Request: Data sets for biocalculus project

2007-07-21 Thread William Silvert
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 10:33 PM Subject: Re: ECOLOGY Mathematics and the metamathematics of evasive ecology? Re: Request: Data sets for biocalculus project > Honourable William Silvert and Forum: > > Uh, oh--I've screwed up again. I keep forgetting that levity is > cont

Re: ECOLOGY Mathematics and the metamathematics of evasive ecology? Re: Request: Data sets for biocalculus project

2007-07-21 Thread William Silvert
t;James J. Roper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 1:31 AM Subject: Re: ECOLOGY Mathematics and the metamathematics of evasive ecology? Re: Request: Data sets for biocalculus project >I am sure that we would all hope that the real "issue" is scientific,

Re: ECOLOGY Mathematics and the metamathematics of evasive ecology? Re: Request: Data sets for biocalculus project

2007-07-20 Thread James J. Roper
In a perfect world maybe we could trust all > statistical analyses, but we ain't there yet. > > Bill Silvert > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James J. Roper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 3:43 PM > Subjec

Re: ECOLOGY Mathematics and the metamathematics of evasive ecology? Re: Request: Data sets for biocalculus project

2007-07-20 Thread Wayne Tyson
physicists try to get at the essential characteristics of a system >and try to describe even complex systems in simple terms. Not biologists. > >Bill Silvert > > >- Original Message - >From: "Wayne Tyson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Tuesday,

Re: ECOLOGY Mathematics and the metamathematics of evasive ecology? Re: Request: Data sets for biocalculus project

2007-07-20 Thread William Silvert
Of course physicists try to get at the essential characteristics of a system and try to describe even complex systems in simple terms. Not biologists. Bill Silvert - Original Message - From: "Wayne Tyson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 4:15 AM Subject:

Re: ECOLOGY Mathematics and the metamathematics of evasive ecology? Re: Request: Data sets for biocalculus project

2007-07-19 Thread Malcolm McCallum
ll Silvert > > > ----- Original Message - > From: "James J. Roper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 3:43 PM > Subject: Re: ECOLOGY Mathematics and the metamathematics of evasive > ecology? > Re: Request: Data sets for biocalcul

Re: ECOLOGY Mathematics and the metamathematics of evasive ecology? Re: Request: Data sets for biocalculus project

2007-07-19 Thread William Silvert
- Original Message - From: "James J. Roper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 3:43 PM Subject: Re: ECOLOGY Mathematics and the metamathematics of evasive ecology? Re: Request: Data sets for biocalculus project > Mattheus, > > You are show

Re: ECOLOGY Mathematics and the metamathematics of evasive ecology? Re: Request: Data sets for biocalculus project

2007-07-18 Thread James J. Roper
Mattheus, You are showing some misunderstanding of the use of statistics. A few observations. 1. If your results are so glaringly obvious, then the question was probably not very interesting, or a logical consequence of the methods. 2. Questions that are not so simple need statistics to disco

Re: ECOLOGY Mathematics and the metamathematics of evasive ecology? Re: Request: Data sets for biocalculus project

2007-07-18 Thread Matheus Carvalho
After these brilliant words about an important topic, a less luminous opinion about something that may be related somewhat. I mean statistical tests. I don't want to be a rebel. I believe this has been talked before and repeated many times. But there I go. Why to make those complicated and time con

ECOLOGY Mathematics and the metamathematics of evasive ecology? Re: Request: Data sets for biocalculus project

2007-07-16 Thread Wayne Tyson
Dear Cheryl Heinz and Forum: The subject subhead is intended to be only a bit humorous. I respect mathematics, but I don't overrate it. What I am waiting for is an equation or a computer program that can stand up to proof and predict--describe the phenomenon in terms of principles--Laws, if y