Re: Cumulative Frequency Polygons a right way?

2000-05-22 Thread steve_humphry
> Steve, > Your interpretation is right because the coordinates of the ogive (graph of > cumulative frequency/ relative cumulative frequency)) indicate " less than > the upper limit". > Jin Thanks kindly Jin, that's what I think has to be the case. Steve. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja

Re: Cumulative Frequency Polygons a right way?

2000-05-22 Thread steve_humphry
Steve) Thanks very much for your response. One might inquire, if one were pursuing this matter in a little more depth, why one would not prefer a continuous approximating distribution (e.g., normal, if that be appropriate, as is often the case), on the basis either that the empirical CFs at hand

Re: obsolete methods?

2000-05-22 Thread steve_humphry
> > first, items don't have intensity ... people do in response TO an item ... An item's intensity is defined in terms of the response it elicits in persons. I'm using Thurstone's terminology. If you're not happy with that shorthand, fair enough! :-) > second, just because (to use an analogy

Re: LISREL and Confirmatory FA

2000-05-22 Thread T.S. Lim
In article <8gcm45$i6e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says... > >Try the free student version of AMOS for structural equation >modeling >http://www.smallwaters.com/amos/student.html > >AMOS does factor analysis, path analysis >and includes online documentation. There's also the free Mx p

Re: LISREL and Confirmatory FA

2000-05-22 Thread Gene Gallagher
Try the free student version of AMOS for structural equation modeling http://www.smallwaters.com/amos/student.html AMOS does factor analysis, path analysis and includes online documentation. In article <8fjhn0$8rd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Buoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello to all > > I'm a S

Re: Square root transformation

2000-05-22 Thread Herman Rubin
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, G. Anthony Reina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >We use multiple linear regression to perform our analyses. Because we >work with binned data (discharge frequency of a neuron) which follow a >non-normal (Poisson) distribution, we typically use the square root >transform

Re: Cumulative Frequency Polygons a right way?

2000-05-22 Thread David A. Heiser
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 1:15 AM Subject: Cumulative Frequency Polygons a right way? > > > Hi all, > > First up, the purpose I have at hand is to make interpolations for > percentages of students who have achieved

bad graphs

2000-05-22 Thread dennis roberts
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Re: Least squares Was: Re: what is s.d.?

2000-05-22 Thread dennis roberts
At 12:41 PM 5/22/00 -0500, Herman Rubin wrote: (in response to bob hayden's note) >As for outliers, the appropriate meaning for them is that they >are observations which are incorrect, or for which the assumptions >of the model are invalid. Those should be removed, as should >any others of tha

Re: Square root transformation

2000-05-22 Thread T.S. Lim
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says... > >We use multiple linear regression to perform our analyses. Because we >work with binned data (discharge frequency of a neuron) which follow a >non-normal (Poisson) distribution, we typically use the square root >transform on the dependen

Re: sas vs s-plus for qc

2000-05-22 Thread T.S. Lim
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says... > >Check out Minitab Release 13. This is the software used by most of the Six >Sigma Black Belt companies. It has very strong DOE, SPC, Process Capability, >and Measurement System Analysis tools. Also, make sure you take a look at >their

Re: Distribution Free Tolerance Limits

2000-05-22 Thread Rich Ulrich
The Subject was written as "Distribution Free Tolerance Limits." - here was the statement, "We're doing some research in statistical classification of abnormalities in retinal images (that is, pattern recognization), and we need to estimate the size of the sample nescesary. We've heard of some

Square root transformation

2000-05-22 Thread G. Anthony Reina
We use multiple linear regression to perform our analyses. Because we work with binned data (discharge frequency of a neuron) which follow a non-normal (Poisson) distribution, we typically use the square root transform on the dependent variable (discharge rate of the neuron). (Actually, the transf

Re: non normal multivariate outlier detection

2000-05-22 Thread Herman Rubin
In article <8gal3d$a0e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Manuel Castejon Limas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Dear people, >Im looking for outlier detection methods in non normal multivariate >distributions. >Any help would be appreciated. The idea of an outlier depends heavily on the distribution; there is no

Least squares Was: Re: what is s.d.?

2000-05-22 Thread Herman Rubin
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bob Hayden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Least squares methods are in some sense optimal when the "errors" >estimated by the residuals are normally distributed. They are >questionable when the errors are multimodal, strongly skewed, or >afflicted with outliers. L

Re: Ann: Fortran2000.com -- All About Fortran

2000-05-22 Thread Jerry Dallal
I wrote: > I tried, but there was "no response from server". It's working for me now. === This list is open to everyone. Occasionally, less thoughtful people send inappropriate messages. Please DO NOT COMPLAIN TO THE PO

Re: obsolete methods?

2000-05-22 Thread dennis roberts
At 09:14 PM 5/22/00 +0800, Stephen Humphry wrote: >It doesn't offer guidance up front exactly, no, but it provides feedback on >whether items work, and an important (imv) conceptual framework for test >construction. For example, if you have the Rasch model in mind, you look to >developing items

what is s.d.?

2000-05-22 Thread Bob Hayden
The standard deviation of a single batch of numbers is a typical value for the residuals (deviations from the mean). If you divide by n, it is the RMS mean of the residuals. You can check your calculation of the s.d. by comparing it to the residuals. The mean is the measure of center that minim

Re: Cumulative Frequency Polygons a right way?

2000-05-22 Thread Jineshwar Singh
Steve, Your interpretation is right because the coordinates of the ogive (graph of cumulative frequency/ relative cumulative frequency)) indicate " less than the upper limit". Jin Jineshwar Singh, Coordinator, IDS Interdisciplinary Department George Brown College St .James campus [EMAIL PROTECT

Re: sas vs s-plus for qc

2000-05-22 Thread Ken K.
Check out Minitab Release 13. This is the software used by most of the Six Sigma Black Belt companies. It has very strong DOE, SPC, Process Capability, and Measurement System Analysis tools. Also, make sure you take a look at their help tools (the manuals, on-line help, real-time tutorials, and th

Re: obsolete methods?

2000-05-22 Thread Stephen Humphry
> This is all fine, but please remember that Rasch is essentially a > sophisticated (and much more thoughtful) mathematical model for > describing the properties of items and people; it offers no guidance on > how to write items for an attitude measurement scale. One still has to > define cons

Re: Cumulative Frequency Polygons a right way?

2000-05-22 Thread dennis roberts
a cumulative frequency is up to SOME point ... the problem is, WHAT is the point does it include THE point? i don't really see much (if any) difference between (say we have a score scale that goes up to 50 and, 1 point is given for each valid response) saying we have accumulated 53% to a score

Re: non normal multivariate outlier detection

2000-05-22 Thread Richard M. Barton
Hello Manuel, I think a good place to start is Barnett, V and Lewis, T, Outliers in statistical data. rick --- "Manuel Castejon Limas" wrote: Dear people, I¥m looking for outlier detection methods in non normal multivariate distributions. Any help would be appreciated. ===

Re: Cumulative Frequency Polygons a right way?

2000-05-22 Thread Donald F. Burrill
On Mon, 22 May 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > First up, the purpose I have at hand is to make interpolations for > percentages of students who have achieved above a certain score on a > test (where this score may lie between two discrete score points on the > scale). One might inquire, if one

Re: What is standard deviation exactly?

2000-05-22 Thread Duncan Murdoch
On Mon, 22 May 2000 13:24:25 +1000, "Glen Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I assume you're talking about sample standard deviations, >not population standard deviations (though interpretation >of what it represents is similar). > > ... > >Note that the standard deviation can't exceed half the

Re: Signal detection: signal, noise and a 2nd signal?

2000-05-22 Thread Manni Heumann
Sounds just perfect. Thanks for taking the time! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >The question of discriminating among three or more events has been >successfully tackled by Brian Scurfield. He extended typical >two-event ROC analysis to n-event ROC analysis (n>2), where results >are expressed as n-

Cumulative Frequency Polygons a right way?

2000-05-22 Thread steve_humphry
Hi all, First up, the purpose I have at hand is to make interpolations for percentages of students who have achieved above a certain score on a test (where this score may lie between two discrete score points on the scale). It seems to me cumulative frequencies should be plotted at the exact u

Re: obsolete methods?

2000-05-22 Thread Paul Gardner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a way, yes, they were superseded. There is a school of thought now > in which the proponents would argue (imv successfully) that the > approach you’ve outlined culminated in Rasch’s Simple Logistic Model. > Over and above the benefits of the Thurstone’s comparativ

Re: What is standard deviation exactly?

2000-05-22 Thread Paul Gardner
Glen Barnett wrote: > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Neil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I was wondering what the standard deviation means exactly? > > > >I've seen the equation, etc., but I don't really understand > >what st dev is and what it is for. > > I'm going to take a different t

non balanced MANOVA

2000-05-22 Thread Manuel Castejon Limas
Dear people, I am interested in knowing about the different ways people manage the bad behaviour of MANOVA as soon as the algorithm is used with irregular number of samples in each class. Any help would be appreciated.

non normal multivariate outlier detection

2000-05-22 Thread Manuel Castejon Limas
Dear people, I´m looking for outlier detection methods in non normal multivariate distributions. Any help would be appreciated. === This list is open to everyone. Occasionally, less thoughtful people send inappropriate

Re: obsolete methods?

2000-05-22 Thread steve_humphry
In a way, yes, they were superseded. There is a school of thought now in which the proponents would argue (imv successfully) that the approach you’ve outlined culminated in Rasch’s Simple Logistic Model. Over and above the benefits of the Thurstone’s comparative judgements, the Rasch model allows