Re: Evaluating students: A Statistical Perspective

2001-12-13 Thread Rich Ulrich
On 7 Dec 2001 14:24:17 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dennis Roberts) wrote: At 08:08 PM 12/7/01 +, J. Williams wrote: On 6 Dec 2001 11:34:20 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dennis Roberts) wrote: if anything, selectivity has decreased at some of these top schools due to the fact that given

Re: Evaluating students: A Statistical Perspective

2001-12-07 Thread Dennis Roberts
At 08:08 PM 12/7/01 +, J. Williams wrote: On 6 Dec 2001 11:34:20 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dennis Roberts) wrote: if anything, selectivity has decreased at some of these top schools due to the fact that given their extremely high tuition ... i was just saying that IF anything had

Re: Evaluating students: A Statistical Perspective

2001-12-06 Thread Rich Ulrich
Just in case someone is interested in the Harvard instance that I mentioned -- while you might get the article from a newsstand or a friend -- On Sun, 02 Dec 2001 19:19:38 -0500, Rich Ulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ ... ] Now, in the NY Times, just a week or two ago. The dean of

Re: Evaluating students: A Statistical Perspective

2001-12-06 Thread Dennis Roberts
generally speaking, it is kind of difficult to muster sufficient evidence that the amount of grade inflation that is observed ... within and across schools or colleges ... is due to an increase in student ability i find it difficult to believe that the average ability at a place like harvard

Re: Evaluating students: A Statistical Perspective

2001-12-03 Thread J. Williams
On Sun, 02 Dec 2001 19:19:38 -0500, Rich Ulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the curve, and low, low averages, you do notice that a single *good* performance can outweigh several poor ones. So that is good. It is good, but conversely having several high scores even with low, low averages

Re: Evaluating students: A Statistical Perspective

2001-11-30 Thread Herman Rubin
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Thom Baguley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Donald Burrill wrote: On Fri, 23 Nov 2001, L.C. wrote: The question got me thinking about this problem as a multiple comparison problem. Exam scores are typically sums of problem scores. The problem scores may be

Re: Evaluating students: A Statistical Perspective

2001-11-28 Thread jim clark
Hi On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Thom Baguley wrote: I'd argue that they probably aren't that independent. If I ask three questions all involving simple algebra and a student doesn't understand simple algebra they'll probably get all three wrong. In my experience most statistics exams are better

Re: Evaluating students: A Statistical Perspective

2001-11-28 Thread jim clark
Hi On 25 Nov 2001, Herman Rubin wrote: If it is a good test, ability should predominate, and there is absolutely no reason for ability to even have close to a normal distribution. If one has two groups with different normal distributions, combining them will never get normality. I think

Re: Evaluating students: A Statistical Perspective

2001-11-28 Thread Dennis Roberts
At 01:35 PM 11/28/01 -0600, jim clark wrote: Hi On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Thom Baguley wrote: I'd argue that they probably aren't that independent. If I ask three questions all involving simple algebra and a student doesn't understand simple algebra they'll probably get all three wrong. In my

Re: Evaluating students: A Statistical Perspective

2001-11-28 Thread jim clark
Hi On 28 Nov 2001, Dennis Roberts wrote: At 01:35 PM 11/28/01 -0600, jim clark wrote: The distribution of grades will depend on the distribution of difficulties of the items, one of the elements examined by psychometrists in the development of professional-quality assessments. unless

Re: Evaluating students: A Statistical Perspective

2001-11-27 Thread Thom Baguley
Donald Burrill wrote: On Fri, 23 Nov 2001, L.C. wrote: The question got me thinking about this problem as a multiple comparison problem. Exam scores are typically sums of problem scores. The problem scores may be thought of as random variables. By the central limit theorem, the

Re: Evaluating students: A Statistical Perspective

2001-11-27 Thread Donald Burrill
On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Thom Baguley wrote in part: Donald Burrill wrote: On Fri, 23 Nov 2001, L.C. wrote: The question got me thinking about this problem as a multiple comparison problem. Exam scores are typically sums of problem scores. The problem scores may be thought of

Re: Evaluating students: A Statistical Perspective

2001-11-25 Thread Herman Rubin
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], L.C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question got me thinking about this problem as a multiple comparison problem. Exam scores are typically sums of problem scores. The problem scores may be thought of as random variables. By the central limit theorem, the distribution

Re: Evaluating students: A Statistical Perspective

2001-11-25 Thread Herman Rubin
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Donald Burrill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 24 Nov 2001, L.C. wrote: As for the iid, it's reasonable to believe the questions could be drawn from some population. Why not the answers? If the questions are selected

Re: Evaluating students: A Statistical Perspective

2001-11-25 Thread L.C.
Donald Burrill wrote: On Sat, 24 Nov 2001, L.C. wrote: Thanks for the reply! As for the iid, it's reasonable to believe the questions could be drawn from some population. Why not the answers? If the questions are selected in accordance with some table of specifications, they are

Re: Evaluating students: A Statistical Perspective

2001-11-24 Thread Donald Burrill
On Sat, 24 Nov 2001, L.C. wrote: Thanks for the reply! As for the iid, it's reasonable to believe the questions could be drawn from some population. Why not the answers? If the questions are selected in accordance with some table of specifications, they are not from _a_ population, but