Re: one-way ANOVA question

2002-02-14 Thread Rich Ulrich
On 13 Feb 2002 09:48:41 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dennis Roberts) wrote: At 09:21 AM 2/13/02 -0600, Mike Granaas wrote: On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, Thomas Souers wrote: 2) Secondly, are contrasts used primarily as planned comparisons? If so, why? I would second those who've already

Re: one-way ANOVA question

2002-02-13 Thread Mike Granaas
On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, Thomas Souers wrote: 2) Secondly, are contrasts used primarily as planned comparisons? If so, why? I would second those who've already indicated that planned comparisons are superior in answering theoretical questions and add a couple of comments: 1) an omnibus test

Re: one-way ANOVA question

2002-02-13 Thread Jerry Dallal
Thomas Souers wrote: Hello, I have two questions regarding multiple comparison tests for a one-way ANOVA (fixed effects model). 1) Consider the Protected LSD test, where we first use the F statistic to test the hypothesis of equality of factor level means. Here we have a type I error rate

Re: one-way ANOVA question

2002-02-13 Thread Dennis Roberts
At 09:21 AM 2/13/02 -0600, Mike Granaas wrote: On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, Thomas Souers wrote: 2) Secondly, are contrasts used primarily as planned comparisons? If so, why? I would second those who've already indicated that planned comparisons are superior in answering theoretical questions and

one-way ANOVA question

2002-02-08 Thread Thomas Souers
Hello, I have two questions regarding multiple comparison tests for a one-way ANOVA (fixed effects model). 1) Consider the Protected LSD test, where we first use the F statistic to test the hypothesis of equality of factor level means. Here we have a type I error rate of alpha. If the global

Re: one-way ANOVA question

2002-02-08 Thread David C. Howell
You have to keep in mind that the LSD is concerned with familywise error rate, which is the probability that you will make at least one type I error in your set of conclusions. For the familywise error rate, 3 errors are no worse than 1. Suppose that you have three groups. If the omnibus null is

Re: one-way ANOVA question

2002-02-08 Thread Dennis Roberts
At 10:37 AM 2/8/02 -0800, Thomas Souers wrote: 2) Secondly, are contrasts used primarily as planned comparisons? If so, why? well, in the typical rather complex study ... all pairs of possible mean differences (as one example) are NOT equally important to the testing of your theory or notions

Re: one-way ANOVA question

2002-02-08 Thread jim clark
Hi On 8 Feb 2002, Thomas Souers wrote: 2) Secondly, are contrasts used primarily as planned comparisons? If so, why? There are a great many possible contrasts even with a relatively small number of means. If you examine the data and then decide what contrasts to do, then you have in some