Re: Student's t vs. z tests

2001-04-23 Thread Radford Neal
sion of how they travel when air resistance is accounted for? It's not that hard, with the help of modern computers. You just type in the initial angle and velocity (the properties of air can be considered fixed), and the computer plots the trajectory. Why have them work out unrealistic

Re: Student's t vs. z tests

2001-04-19 Thread Radford Neal
a lucky break that the t statistic doesn't depend on sigma. After seeing the z test, students will realize how lucky one is to have such a statistic, and will realize that one shouldn't expect that to happen all the time. (Well, the really good ones might realize all this.) Radford Neal

Re: On inappropriate hypothesis testing. Was: MIT Sexism & statistical bunk

2001-03-14 Thread Radford Neal
ext) I think we may take this as an admission by Mr. Ulrich that he is incapable of advancing any sensible argument in favour of his position. Certainly he's never made any sensible response to my criticism. Given this comment (albeit directed to someone else), I think I'll r

Re: On inappropriate hypothesis testing. Was: MIT Sexism & statistical bunk

2001-03-13 Thread Radford Neal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Radford Neal) wrote: >[ snip, baseball game; etc. ] >> In this context, all that matters is that there is a difference. As >> explained in many previous posts by myself and others, it is NOT >> appropriate in this context to do a significance

Re: On inappropriate hypothesis testing. Was: MIT Sexism & statistical bunk

2001-03-13 Thread Radford Neal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Radford Neal) wrote: >[ snip, baseball game; etc. ] >> In this context, all that matters is that there is a difference. As >> explained in many previous posts by myself and others, it is NOT >> appropriate in this context to do a significance

Re: On inappropriate hypothesis testing. Was: MIT Sexism & statistical

2001-03-12 Thread Radford Neal
>On 12 Mar 2001, Radford Neal wrote: >> Yes indeed. And the context in this case is the question of whether >> or not the difference in performance provides an alternative >> explanation for why the men were paid more (one supposes, no actual >> salary data has bee

Re: On inappropriate hypothesis testing. Was: MIT Sexism & statistical bunk

2001-03-12 Thread Radford Neal
>Radford Neal wrote: >> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >> Recall that this baseball example was intended to clarify how one >> should go about determining whether or not there is reason to think >> that MIT discriminated against women faculty. From yo

Re: On inappropriate hypothesis testing. Was: MIT Sexism & statistical bunk

2001-03-09 Thread Radford Neal
u think that MIT should not pay faculty based on their actual achievements, but rather on the basis of some estimate of their ability, disregarding "random factors". That's an interesting opinion, but would a policy of paying based on actual achievement (or a noisy estimate of actual ac

Re: basic stats question

2001-02-28 Thread Radford Neal
ts can't happen together", this is not an adequate definition if some non-null events have zero probability. I think that independence is not something that can be explained in ANY simple way. Multiple explanations and multiple examples are needed. Radford Neal

Re: On inappropriate hypothesis testing. Was: MIT Sexism & statistical bunk

2001-02-23 Thread Radford Neal
my reasoning, I suggest you explain the flaw. Radford Neal -- I think the statistical issue in this discussion can be boiled down to a question of how to calculate standard errors for regression coefficients. What regression? We

Re: Patenting a statistical innovation

2001-02-21 Thread Radford Neal
lly impede future research, since getting them invalidated is costly. Patents may seem like a good idea in theory, but the practice has become horrible. Radford Neal = Instructions for joining and leaving this list and re

Re: On inappropriate hypothesis testing. Was: MIT Sexism

2001-02-16 Thread Radford Neal
I think the statistical issue in this discussion can be boiled down to a question of how to calculate standard errors for regression coefficients. What regression? Well, there isn't one, because there isn't any data, but the discussions seems to presuppose the possibility of data that for each f

Re: On inappropriate hypothesis testing. Was: MIT Sexism & statistical

2001-02-15 Thread Radford Neal
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jerry Dallal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We often have a group of individuals who are judged comparable in > responsibilities and performance. In such cases, it *may* be > appropriate to use permutation methods. The rationale would be: > There is some variation

Re: Hypothesis Testing where General Limit Theorem doesn't hold?

2001-02-11 Thread Radford Neal
In article <0gmh6.222677$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Neo Sunrider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >If I want to test a hypothesis (t-test, z-score etc.) and the underlying >distribution will under no circumstances aproach normal... (i.e. the results >of the experiement will always be something like 100*10.5,

Re: p values

2001-02-05 Thread Radford Neal
er the observed effect is or is not causal. >Similar to before, it should be possible to show either a >1-tailed CI or a 50% range that lies *above* the range of >trivial and artifactual results. Computing a confidence interval does seem like a good idea if you're worried