Re: ways of grading group participation

2001-04-25 Thread Jay Warner
Well, you sure started a large brush fire! Quick comments: 1)    if the objective is to learn how to function in a group, then giving all the same grade for the work is a good way to empahsize the interdependent nature of a group project. 2)    Yes, some compalin that they did all the work.  They

RE: ways of grading group participation

2001-04-24 Thread dennis roberts
At 05:35 PM 4/24/01 -0500, Simon, Steve, PhD wrote: steve has pointed out, undoubtedly, useful references for us to examine ... my main point is this: while there are many many activities that are and can be done in groups ... and we need to train to participate in such ... there are many many

Re: ways of grading group participation

2001-04-24 Thread RCKnodt
I didn't mean to imply that competition didn't exist within the public school classroom. What I meant was that teachers are discouraged from promoting competition between students. Parents feel that it is psychologically bad for their child to be in competition and not be a winner. It almost

RE: ways of grading group participation

2001-04-24 Thread Simon, Steve, PhD
Dennis Roberts (and others) have made comments and raised questions about group projects and competition. If you haven't already done so, you should read a couple of books by Alfie Kohn about this: Punished By Rewards: The Trouble with Gold Stars, Incentive Plans, A's, Praise, and Other Bribes a

Re: ways of grading group participation

2001-04-24 Thread dennis roberts
of course, if one views group work to be important and, wants a good model for such behavior, it is not academe for sure! while there is lots of group activity that goes on, committee meetings off the chart, ... by and large ... when it comes to making decisions about faculty, staff, adminis

Re: ways of grading group participation

2001-04-24 Thread dennis roberts
At 01:53 PM 4/24/01 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >All though school (elementary, junior and senior high as well as in some >undergraduate college courses) we tend to discourage competition. say WHAT??? i would say it is JUST THE OPPOSITE ... do the best you can to get ahead of the next fell

Re: ways of grading group participation

2001-04-24 Thread RCKnodt
In a message dated 4/24/01 9:19:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << 1. impossible to get al the projects done that the instructor wants assigning them to individuals? 2. it is the training on a cooperative effort to get a task done that, would be difficult to do alone?

Re: ways of grading group participation

2001-04-24 Thread dennis roberts
the way this is usually done is to assign everyone the same grade ... and THERE is the rub i am totally surprised that it has taken you 20 years to encounter this problem ... i would say you have been a mighty LUCKY person! we have to distinguish between the goal of the group project ... and t

ways of grading group participation

2001-04-24 Thread EAKIN MARK E
I have been assigning group projects for about 20 years and have lucky enough (until this semester) to have few students complaints about their fellow groups members. This semester I have many, many problems with groups complaining about members not carrying their fair share. Up to now while I o